It might seem kind of a stupid question, but as a Christian it's a feeling that I can't shake
How come the end times haven't come yet?
Also, it's been so many years since the events of the New Testament that humans have advanced to exploring space and still, God hasn't really done anything really so massive that would be comparable in size to the events of The Bible.
So why is God just sitting there, not doing much and letting humans be?
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Really?
Because no one knows the hour. Only God the father knows.
I'm talking about major historical things that are Biblical-level in proportion
There's no need
Everything pre-crucifixion was done in preparation for that event. Post-crucifixion there isn't much else to do as the most important event in the history of the universe has already occurred. What more could possibly be done after Christ died for the sins of the whole world?
if only the father knows the hour, how can jesus be god?
We haven't seen fire rain on Sodom, or the tower of babel collapse, but you better believe places with similar significance exist today, with spiritual warfare beyond what we've ever seen before being waged.
We live in a time where humans are literally trying to shed physical form and become transcendent waves through out space.
Our physical and spiritual selves have seemingly grown apart. When they built the Tower of Babel they sought to become elevated in a spiritual sense, and how did they do it? They built a physical tower. Today man seeks to become like God, to have an unlimited infinite existence above that of man. To accomplish this he changes how his mind perceives the world, he seeks to merge with machines, to conquer God him self with numbers and math. It's the same idea, yet it's so much more abstract.
This is exactly the problem with what you are saying. Day to day tasks have become abstract. We don't know what's real anymore, we tried to quantify existence to the point where I don't know what to make of anything. Space used to be what was above, full of stars. Now space could be anything. Is it an endless expanse of nothing? Is it even there as we understand it? It could just be anything, and trying to quantify it was only a detriment.
Women kill their children and don't think twice about it now. If you wanted to kill your child 1000 years ago you know exactly what you're doing, and you'd get put to death for it too. Now women do it left and right, and they don't even understand the gravity of it. Think of what a mother is, she is nurturing, she is dependent on a man to care for her. She bears children, then she nurtures. It is the most basic straightforward natural thing in the world, and the modern woman rejects it. She seeks independence, she refuses the support she requires, then worst of all she murders the life she brought into the world. This is completely arbitrary for the modern woman. What's more, think of the biggest reason women do it now, so often they think they can't afford it. What the hell is this money they're so afraid of losing now? It used to represent labor, it used to be the fruit of labor. Now it's the fruit of its self, and isn't backed by anything concrete, it just is and we make our selves slaves to it.
The end times don't happen all at once, the world as we know it was completely changed 80 years ago, that wasn't the end because it was just a part of it, just as now is apart of it. The flame is there, even if you can't see it.
Here is a confusing image that will helo you understand that Jesus != God the father
*help
Just don't think about it too hard or else you might end up a muslim.
Your question is what sparks every cult and even the Charismatic Movement. The idea God doesn’t have something new for us is too much for some people to handle.
Pretty much this. Revelation is not a surmise, it is a certainty and each second that passes takes us closer to those moments. Wars and rumours and wars, plague and pestilence, famine and strife; just because the news does not show it does not mean they are not there.
If you're opinion is that Jesus cannot have been God without also being omniscient then consider that it was Jesus' way of saying that he's not telling.
The trinity has never and will never make sense to me.
Father = 1
Son =1
Spirit =1
What's 1x1x1?
1
except it's not multiplication it's an equivalency statement. and even in your example you set Father and Son and spirit equal to one. And if that's true then guess what 1=1, so therefore the father WOULD be the son, WOULD be the spirit.
In the sense of world historical events, Jesus Christ currently sits on His throne as the king of all nations (Apoc. 20, Dan. 7: 13-14) and awaits for the fullness of His Kingdom to be reached through the repentance and discipleship of the lost before He finally brings the earth to its end. In the sense of any individual life, every human can count on an end times of his own and its terms are the divide between good and evil, God's will or man's will.
Immediate reach or physical impact doesn't really coincide with significance. Jesus Christ's birth was one of the most monumental events in history, yet it took place in a manger. But I disagree, every century since His birth has seen the monumental.
Precisely what the above said.
Though from my understand this exemplifies that God is everything and everyone, like me and you for example, are different people, but god is both of us in a sense.
True to that, in some ways I can't take anymore this self suffering society impose on ourselves, the endless hunt for the wage slave, the loss of real value, the loss of peace and the chronic infliction of pain in ourselves and those close to us. Is ww3 coming yet? What will be left after?
Rather than go into arithmetic false equivalencies it's probably better to describe it in a more mathematically pure fashion, pic related.
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We need to come up with some real easy hands on every day sort of example using fruits or something, you know, explaining stuff in layman's terms shortly and easily.
Relying on binary relation to illustrate one of the core principles of our faith makes us look like a joke that's reaching really hard to justify itself, compare our binary table to how say Muslims explain it
"Durr dere be one God who's Allah, dats dat nothing more nothing less", even a troglodyte can instantly understand that, compare that to this binary table, which one do you think will the avarage Joe pick?
Well Jesus humbled himself below the angels for a while.
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You're comparing small scale biblical events to huge scale modern historical events and you came to the conclusion that the end times stopped coming?
Sodom and gomor
Hiroshima and nagasaki
Kicking the jews out of egypt,
Kicking the jews out of europe
Flood that affects the entire known world at the time
Fire that affects an area of california larger than the biblical world
Paul writes about the days when the religious leaders will call themselves Jews but they won't be jews they will be the synagogue of satan.
Pol compiles every image macro you need to conclude the leaders of the world are satanists.
user how can you be so dense that you don't see how far along we already are. Jesus could come a knockin tomorrow for all we know.
We still need the true anti christ to rise, but its hard when nearly every big world leader fits the description. We arguably need the prophets to set the stage for the return of the king, but that essentially could be done through the chans and redpills.
Don't ignore how lucky you were to get seats so close to the apocalypse
C'mon man
Maybe it'll come form a sinful Christian man, but I can't imagine something like Zig Forums doing it.
Boy, you ain't seem nothing yet. Hell is a bottomless pit.
According to standard Orthodox interpretation Jesus does know the last hour.
Well part of the reason we cant explain the Trinity is its impossible to fully understand God and how He works - God isn't limited by our minds or understanding.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. If /b/ is Sodom, Zig Forums is Gomorrah.
Jesus also knows the hour, but not his soul or something like it.
You should read the commentaries of the church fathers on that one.
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God knows everything, so the Word and the Holy Spirit also know everything the Father knows.
Also God can choose to be ignorant if he wishes.
As St. Hillary said:
I'd like to add that this Christological aspect is explained in the Summa Theologiae of Aquinas I'm to much of a brainlet to explain it least to understand it myself.
I wish He'd hurry up about it.
Not to withdraw from the process, but to go further, to ‘accelerate the process’, as Nietzsche put it: in this matter, the truth is that we haven’t seen anything yet.
He does at every Mass. BEGOME Catholic and make the angels jealous by your communion with Christ.
if you ahven't realized it yet we are in the end times/last days, tribulation is nearer than ever
i think modern computer games are a way of explaining the concept for people.
e.g. who is that character you create in skyrim (or whatever) and play as? when you're totally immersed in the gameworld? is that you or not you etc Jesus being God (his incarnation) is simple…. working out the holy spirit is more difficult.
How come the eyes look so weird in that cartoon you posted? What’s up with the cartoon? Is that a picture of you
because Israel has yet to sit upon the final mountain.
Trying to explain things in this way actually feeds into his argument–if everything important has been done, why hasn't God brought things to their prophesied end?
The answer, of course, is that God's will is well beyond our capacity to understand in mortal life, and that time to us isn't what it is to Him. Christ's resurrection is indeed the most important event in history, but that fact doesn't do any work in the argument. God wills that things happen a certain way. Sometimes we can tell why, but often it will seem mysterious at the time.
The end times have come already. We are in them. Why do you think Sunday is called the Day of the Lord? Did you read the prophets? When Jesus was resurrected, all the righteous were rewarded and all the wicked were condemned. We live in the 8th day of creation. The Kingdom of God is already within us. The eschaton has not happened yet but our current era is eschatological and the echo of the final judgement happens every Sunday at your local (Orthodox) church. All things will be sealed when the eschaton happns but until then we *are* in the end times, time itself simply isn't finished yet - when it is finished we will enter into eternity.
What do you think the sacraments are? Looking at the history of the Church should tell you that this is obviously incorrect too.
Such in the days of Noah, so shall be the days of the Son of Man. In the end, the "stones" will cry out.
Man gets further into the hopes of science and technology, but becomes more deadened to sin.
The first thing to do is watch and pray. The second thing to do is to eagerly await his coming within this life but if you don't have that much time left in this life, eagerly await meeting Jesus in Heaven.
What about something big like the river Nile drying up OP?
Read Isaiah 19 then read
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Isaiah 19
The waters of the river will dry up,
and the riverbed will be parched and dry.
6 The canals will stink;
the streams of Egypt will dwindle and dry up.
The reeds and rushes will wither,
7 also the plants along the Nile,
at the mouth of the river.
Every sown field along the Nile
will become parched, will blow away and be no more.
8 The fishermen will groan and lament,
all who cast hooks into the Nile;
those who throw nets on the water
will pine away.
9 Those who work with combed flax will despair,
the weavers of fine linen will lose hope.
10 The workers in cloth will be dejected,
and all the wage earners will be sick at heart.
The article literally has quotes from fishermen who are groaning and lamenting.
Also nothing big has happened? Jesus is easily the most influential person on the planet ever. He has inspired a world wide movement of love and reconciliation with God which although has become rotten on the west, shows no sign of slowing down in other parts of the world. No big things? There have been more martyrs in the last century than in all previous centuries combined. Listen to the words of our Lord:
Jesus will return when the church fulfills its mission. We could have done it by now but have been too busy with our own inward political affairs. See the mess in Ukraine. The church is the reason he has not yet returned but the lord will fulfill his purposes for the church. The message will be preached to all nations. What are you going to do with your life OP? Arguably the greatest work God has ever done on this earth outside of the resurrection of christ, is the spreading of the gospel to all peoples AND WE GET TO BE A PART OF THAT. Exciting times
Forget about math, a better example I believe to help explain the Trinity would be the following:
We all experience plurality in singularity. We are living in a three dimensional world, but we experience it in a "singular" fashion. Let us expound this.
In three dimensions, we have the x-axis, the y-axis, and the z-axis. Take each each person in the Trinity to be one of these axes. Now, the X-axis is NOT the Y-axis and vice versa, the Z-axis is NOT the X-axis, and vice versa, and the Z-axis is NOT the Y-axis, and vice versa. HOWEVER, they all share this same "dimensional essence", with each axis being distinguishable and recognizable from the other. The same applies to the Trinity.
This only holds if the equality in this system is transitiv. There are many and useful mathematical systems, with non-transitive relations.
READ YOUR BIBLE
I see what you mean, but in a way your point highlights why the question itself is redundant.
What argument is there to be made beyond that fact then? If what I said is correct, then it's a matter of trusting God to carry out His will in the time-frame that He sees fit. Whether it's allowing all souls who will be saved to receive salvation, or allowing evil to come to it's full potential on the earth in order to then destroy it forever, God is doing the right thing. There isn't a black-and-white answer as to why the end hasn't come yet, there's no reason a mortal should be able to tell specifically why God has chosen not to bring about the apocalypse yet, and all the events that should precede it.
You're right when you say it's a mystery to us, we don't know why and we don't need to know why, and the Bible says that nobody knows the hour, so we know that we will never understand why unless it is revealed to us in Heaven.
When we say that the Son is not the Father we refer to them being different persons. When we say they are the same God we refer to their same nature and operation, in which the Father does nothing without the Son or the HS, etc etc. So the Father/Son/HS nodes represents one kind of thing (persons) while the God node is another kind of thing(nature, operation). Consequently, the edges that connect them, even if using similar words (is/is not) have different nature. This doesn't happen in mathematical formulas, where your variables and numbers have the same nature, as well as the "=" symbols that relate them.
Understanding it isn’t the point. The trinity is supposed to humble you, since God can do all things, even impossible things, and thus he can be three persons while being one being. The same with how Jesus has two natures yet is one person.
This tbh
Lads if u read the Bible enough you will come to realise 3 things and a fourth will you understand
First, the scriptures are not inerrant
Second, Jesus is not Yahweh
Third, the trinity is an attempt to describe biblical language using the categories of philosophy which ultimately fail.
Fourth, these things are ok and we don't have to worry
Reported for blasphemy.