Baptist Thread

People Usually bring up 3 verses to "prove" you need baptism for salvation. I'll debunk all three.

Mark 16:15
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
This verse does not say what happens to a person that belivees and is not baptized, only someone that believes and is baptized and someone that does not believe. Let's say Person A believes and is baptized, Person B believes and is not baptized, and Person C does not believe. According to this verse A goes to Heaven and C goes to Hell, but says nothing about B. According to John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Person A and B go to Heaven and C goes to Hell.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
They will say being "born of water" is being baptized. No, being born of water is being physically born, and they will usually leave out verse 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." which Jesus compares being born of water with being born of the flesh, and being born of the spirit with being born of the spirit.

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
They will take the part where it says "baptism doth also now save us" and say that proves it, but no, it's "The like figure" that saves us, not baptism. And the like figure is the death, burial, and ressurection of Christ. Colossians 2:12 12 "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

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Where did all the Baptists go? I know the mods got ban crazy, but wow.

Baptist theology is correct because it is most faithful to the Bible
There are many other groups who get the primary issues right but follow some other ecclesiastical structure or don't call themselves baptist, like the Bible church movement

Just to compare with your catholic background, I as a baptist reject that the Bible alludes to such a concept as one institution holding exclusive or special power in interpretation. I think this is proven by clear contradictions between catholic doctrine and the Bible, especially on sacramentalism as a condition for salvation


copy pasting a wall of text is not compelling because it's impersonal and kinda cringy tbh

Baptists are not Christians and are going to hell.

explain

Do you believe the holy spirit proceeds from the father only, or from the father and the son?

When it comes to once saved always saved, what stops a person from doing bad after they've been saved? Like I could say I believe in Jesus (which I do), and then I'm saved, but what if I then go on to do horrible sinful things? Would I still be saved, despite turning away from God?

So if the is all we need for salvation, what did people do before the Bible was written? In the days of Jesus and just after his death they only had the church that was led by His apostles, not a Bible to follow. Would you say that the Bible includes the teaching of these early church fathers, and my point doesn't stand?

you don't need the bible for salvation, you need the gospel. The gospel comes from the Bible, but you can just tell someone.
The church fathers are not part of the Bible.

Baptize you're babies

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