Narrative Media and Sin

Does one sin if they comsume media that contains sin within it? Presume for this case that it does not get in the way of their Sunday obligation, times of prayer, etc. For example, if a character within a film uses a profanity, not gratuitously but simply for the sake of characterization, is it a sin to watch said film? I have heard many different answers for this. They include but are not limited to
I’m really confused as to which is the correct answer. What is the rule you all follow for this? Sources are appreciated (any sect/denomination is welcome, I’ll refrain from stating my own to prevent flame wars).

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You can display sin to push a Christian message. The Bible does this, it's not damaging to read the wickedness of the people in the Bible.
Naturally the same follow for a lot of secular texts, movies, etc. Dostoevsky comes to mind.

But you're looking for an excuse to watch ecchi anime because you go to church and follow a prayer rule, you should rethink your whole life. I'm not accusing you of this, but be wary of yourself.

Sorry, I'm retarded.

Check out St. John Crysostom's sermon, "Against the circuses and the theaters": tertullian.org/fathers/chrysostom_against_theatres_and_circuses.htm

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Well naturally anything with images of a sexual nature that cause lust are a no-go because one cannot stop themself from feeling lust, especially if the medium is visible. I was thinking more along the lines of uttering of profanities or taking of the Lord’s name in vain in media. Take almost any classic film for example, even older ones, and it most assuredly has these things in it. My question is whether watching such a film is sinful, even if the message of the film is not to promote sin and it is characterization? A few Christians I know say it is, while others say it is not, while still others lay conditions about intention on it.

Can you provide me with an example of a movie that is this way?
I don't watch movies that much, usually written novels don't have profanity.

I've watched some movies that push Christian messages that do have explicit sins in them, though. Taxi Driver, for example has a porn scene and some swearing. Not to degenerate into a discussion of what sin is, but I think it can be self destructive, which is what I think of sin as, to revel too much in the darkest corners of humanity like commonfilth used to do. It can also be self destructive to not know what's going on around you.

I had asked my father about this in the past when I had the same question and he said that it’s not what enters a man that defiles him, only what comes out. Idk what verse that is, but if you want more info you should look it up. I could be mistaken

The message isn’t explicitly Christian, but take The Godfather as the first example to come off of the top of my head. The movie has profanities uttered, taking of the Lord’s name in vain, and plenty of violence and murder. None of it is gratuidous though. It’s all intended to deliver the messages of the movie such as the cruelty of people, the false veil of “class” in the criminal world of the mafia and the meaning of family. Is one committing sin by ‘’watching’’ this film?

*watching

What about fantasy media? Such as something that uses "magic" but with no witchcraft or other explanation? Or non-human beings that are sentient, be they aliens/monsters/machines/whatever? Or fictional settings that have fictional religions but do not go into depth? How do we address these?

The problem with Magic in reality is that humans are incapable of performing it without divine aid. Barring miracles, 100% of magic comes from the Devil, and that is why it is sinful to use it.
In contrast, usually magic in fantasy settings comes from within the user, without outside influence. This is not any more sinful than lifting weights, because in that setting, it is something intrinsic to the user.
I can't find any problem with it as long as the distinction is made that it is fiction and not reality. Perhaps you could make an argument that as these things behave sentiently, then perhaps they have souls as humans do, but I don't think you could really make that argument successfully given that it's a fictional universe and plays by different rules.
Consider that a pantheon of gods in a fictional world might very well exist, given that it is fictional and the author can do whatever he pleases with it. There is nothing stopping a writer from writing that a pantheon of gods created the world, rather than a single God. It's a completely different universe, and so it would play by different rules.

I avoid anything glorifying demons and magic.

I think the biggest issue is whether or not the sin is simulated or not. You can fake murder, theft, etc., but immodesty, blasphemy, and many other things simply cannot be portrayed without actually committing the sin. To the extent that the movie/book/whatever contains actual, unsimulatable sin, it is offensive to God. The audience, by continuing to expose themselves to it, are playing a part in assenting to this sin.

Of course, even where things do not approach sin *per se*, we ought to remember that pleasure inclines us toward the things from which we receive that pleasure. So if you're spending a lot of time taking pleasure in, say, slasher films, you're allowing yourself to be desensitized to those displays of sin. This isn't an absolute thing, but it does call for moderation and self reflection.

Yes, it’s the how more than the what in this case…even if a Christian should avoid crass representations of those sins in media and art. One thing is, for example, nudity or even eros, another is lewd faux “art” and pornography.

To elaborate a bit on non-human beings/fantasy races, what about any being in the media work that was artificially created? Is that a problem?

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With movies you imagine you're the main character and you do everything the main character does. So if the main character is a White Knight who smites evil then that's a good thing since you'll image you're smiting evil.

However I was watching "Fist Fight" one time and it was all about 2 teachers who were going to fight each other. The main character was doing everything he could to avoid the fight including planting drugs on the other teacher. And in order to get the drugs he had to steal them from a student. Everything he did made me feel dirty that I had to stop watching.

If I kept watching it everything he did would have been normalized and I would become less averse to doing it myself. The end could very well have been positive, but everything leading up that was so immoral it shouldn't be watched.

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Upon further consideration the narrative has switched from heroes PWNing villains to pathetic White Knights and abusive thugs.

We therefore shouldn't consume such toxic content and should instead work on our novels including music, programing, Chess or any other creative and intelligent endeavors.

Ridiculous.

This is an interesting idea. Narrative media with good themes and messages. Could be both enjoyable to make and helpful for both the writer and the consumer. If subtle enough, might promote Christian values to other people too.
The dangers to avoid would be slipping into secular and other sinful themes, or forgetting the reason for producing the media and doing it primarily for fame or profit instead.

As part of that narrative switch women have started taking over for men in terms of being White Knights.


The problem is Non-Christians identify with the villains. So the villains have been getting better and better treatment as time goes on.

When I was in High School and I spent most of my days going to school and doing homework I was appalled by the violence in Gladiator and Fight Club. However violence is part of being a man. It's only bad when it's used to commit injustice, however correcting injustice also requires violence.

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As with everything ask yourself
If it does i.e. straight up pornography then probably

I thought of two possible ways of writing villains in the hopes of avoiding this. The first would be writing villains that are horribly grotesquely evil that no one would sympathize with them. The issue with this would be that today people are fascinated with even some of the most evil of characters.

The other way I can think of would be instead of straight villains, using antagonists that go through redemption to become morally better people. The problem here is running the risk of people empathizing with them too early, before the redemption occurs.

All that being said, as much as I like this idea of producing media that promotes Christin values, I don't want to derail the main topic of this thread.

Maybe we ought to recommend more proper media for christians here?

Quite disagree, if anything, they're making religious people the villain in some of the media, like if thrusting god and the church is some kind fanaticism.

Is anime/manga sinful, lads? Even the light ones that doesn't contain sexual content and extreme violence like Koe no Katachi, Toradora!, Aria, Ghibli etc.?

What does the Catholic Church say about this?

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Fan service like sucking on a popsicle or showing ass shots is bad, but there's still some redeeming qualities.

For example there's still generally the good guys versus the bad guys and motivational dialogue about working harder and not giving up.

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