Is it wrong for Christians to drink alcohol?

Camden Hall
Camden Hall

Is it wrong for Christians to drink alcohol?

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Brandon Ross
Brandon Ross

No.

Jack Davis
Jack Davis

Christ's first miracle was to turn water into wine.
Drinking is not a sin, drunkenness is.

Sebastian Ortiz
Sebastian Ortiz

Jesus drank wine and even created more wine for his mom.
Just dont become an alcoholic.
nor drunkards

Cooper Lewis
Cooper Lewis

It's not wrong for a Christian to enjoy alcohol, but it is wrong to over indulge and get drunk:
Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit
Romans 13:13 - Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying
Isaiah 5:11 - Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, [that] they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, [till] wine inflame them!

So if you are offered a cup of wine at a dinner or a celebration, don't be a square and enjoy a drink that God hath given us.
Just know your limits and don't succumb to drunkenness.

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Joseph Watson
Joseph Watson

No. inb4 grape juice

Eli Scott
Eli Scott

What confuses me is, how exactly is drunkenness defined from a Christian standpoint? Obviously getting blackout drunk is bad, but what would the limit be?

Aiden Carter
Aiden Carter

jebus was the booze.

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Jason Clark
Jason Clark

Any change as a result of consumption
This is way below the Western cultural idea of "drunk". You should never be "buzzed"
One beer is too much if you're under 200 pounds.

The best idea is to never drink at all. Any impact by alcohol is a reduction of your "filling" with the spirit

T. Baptist

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Asher Myers
Asher Myers

I was always told that "drunkenness" is that moment when you stumble. Either in speech or action. Like when you slur your speech or you trip over your own feet because of alcohol. That's when it's time to stop. I was told that a little social tipsiness isn't a big deal. But, I was raised by Methodists, so take that how you will. Some denoms are complete teetotalers.

Joshua Flores
Joshua Flores

Losing self-control or sense of judgement. It will differ from person to person.

Nathan Rogers
Nathan Rogers

When you lose control

Aaron Sanders
Aaron Sanders

I'd say once you start feeling a 'buzz' than its a good time to start drinking water. For men, on average, it takes 3 cups of wine to get drunk (for women 2). So id say limit yourself to one less than what it would take to get you drunk.

Or just one serving if you are really concerned.

Grayson Lee
Grayson Lee

A lot of that depends. I know a guy who's 6'0 and weighs about a buck 20 wet with boots on and he can drink more liquor than I would think humanly possible without showing any signs of drunkenness. Genetics, I suppose.

Levi Foster
Levi Foster

The church and the west and civilization in general has a long track record of making and drinking alcoholic drinks.

beer and wine have historically been the equivalent to modern day sodas, except way better for your health. I home-brew beer and I drink until I'm "satisfied" in terms of thirst.
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with liquor, but I think it can be dangerous since it only serves to put alcohol into your body.

Jeremiah Cooper
Jeremiah Cooper

I home-brew beer
I tried that once with a kit that a friend got me for a birthday years ago. I made the most horrifyingly vomitous concoction I have ever put in my mouth.

Adrian Stewart
Adrian Stewart

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Jason Wright
Jason Wright

No, but its best to completely avoid alcohol since it can very likely lead you to the sin of drunkenness.

Dominic Ross
Dominic Ross

Doesnt understand the difference between traditional customs and Magesterium

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

Doesn't have a 5th grade reading comprehension

Sebastian Parker
Sebastian Parker

Pace yourself, you'll have some idea when you've had enough.

Joshua Butler
Joshua Butler

Jesus Christ and the entire catholic church and every single christian up until prots decided to become """"enlightened"""" on alcohol was wrong

Austin Garcia
Austin Garcia

forgot to greentext

Justin Gomez
Justin Gomez

I started straight into all grain it and its seemed fine enough, I've never had "real" (store bought) beer before home-brewing though..

Parker Kelly
Parker Kelly

doesn't have an argument

Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

I just didn't really follow the instructions right. I'm not saying don't do it … I'm just really bad at it.

Austin Garcia
Austin Garcia

Still didn't reread

William James
William James

About that strong drink. I became aware not long ago of it being translated as "beer" in other languages and mead in the Septuagint, which would make more sense than distilled spirits which don't appear to have existed in their current popular form of consumption until around the high middle ages, unlike beer and wine which do have more substantial attestation in the ancient near eastern archaeological records.

But I know apologetics for stronger liquors will still be made regardless for the simple fact of it being of the same "ousia" as other beverages and its crafting by monks in some cases.

Nathaniel Gomez
Nathaniel Gomez

Hey now, Central and Western European Reformers and their countries are famous for consuming beer in those big mugs. No need to label all Protestants as teetotalists.

Nicholas Hall
Nicholas Hall

Drinking is only the right of stocky 6' Teuton Nords
Everyone else must make themselves landwhales otherwise
aside from the fact that people have weighed less than this for most of history

Joshua Gray
Joshua Gray

Alcohol tolerance scales to bodyweight

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

Well put, user. On a side note, do you think it is wrong to pray for Jesus to turn the tap water in my home into wine?

Eli Howard
Eli Howard

Not necessarily, it can also depend on other factors like how much or what kind of food is in your stomach which is said to be how eastern Europeans are able to consume copious amounts of vodka.

But such a high metric strictly for weight looks unreasonable.

Jason Ortiz
Jason Ortiz

yes, but it's genetick too

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

Could be like with the causes of alcoholism but the science isn't clear.
Some people might be allergic to certain products and not others.

Oliver Perry
Oliver Perry

I was always under the impression that drunkenness was taken to be 'chronic' or 'habitual drunkenness, i.e. don't succumb to the vice of alcoholism. Getting drunk isn't necessarily bad, but being intoxicated doesn't excuse you from any sins you commit due to your intoxication. Moreover, if getting drunk makes you more likely to sin, then you should not get drunk.

However, I see a lot of Christians (for example - just about everyone else responding to your post) disagree with this. Having noticed this, I therefore make no claims to having the correct view in this argument. Also, I fall into someone who is prone to chronic drunkenness so it's a moot point for me regardless - for me, drinking becomes a passion, and thus a sin, and I now abstain from it by the grace of God.

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Leo Thomas
Leo Thomas

Jesus was called a drunkard by the Pharisees.
So I guess it's okay until the Pharisees would be right.

Carter Butler
Carter Butler

Yes necessarily, tolerance scales to bodyweight. Other factors like what you've listed can also contribute, not denying it.

high metric, unreasonable
Even unsaved social drinkers use a rule like this. Do you not think that "buzzed" is sin?

John Martin
John Martin

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. [Proverbs 31:6-7]
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. [Matthew 15:11]
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. [1 Timothy 4:4-5]
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. [1 Timothy 5:23]
It's God's creation, user. Be thankful for it, and use moderation, but do not think that it's against God to enjoy it within reason.

Zachary Garcia
Zachary Garcia

Can I use krokodil in moderation?

Andrew Morris
Andrew Morris

No, you can't. I know you know that already.

Alexander Reyes
Alexander Reyes

No not necessarily because there are plenty of instances including from personal experience in which people with a lower body mass are observed tolerating their alcoholic intake better than someone with a higher body mass.
Therefore it would be inconclusive to pin it to weight. But there's probably little point getting into the possible science of it seeing that one day's study may find itself disputing the last or the next study.

All in all suggesting that anyone under 200 pounds is buzzed or inebriated after having a single beer is incorrect as it would deny most men and women in the world and throughout history even the smallest amount of an intake.

Carson Mitchell
Carson Mitchell

We call those "anecdotes" and "anecdotal evidence"

In your experience, when is someone buzzed?

Aiden Campbell
Aiden Campbell

le fallacy fallacy
There's also the fact that alcohol isn't like some externally penetrating object such as a knife or bullet in which body fat can hinder it nor stop it. Rather it's ingested and absorbed through the bloodstream.
Unlike differences in body mass, differences in organ sizes and functioning isn't relative to body mass. Taller people don't have larger brains.
Given the average range of difference between human height the time it takes to travel through the circulatory system should be largely identical if it were an important factor but it probably is not.

Josiah Murphy
Josiah Murphy

nor stop it
*or

Luke Cooper
Luke Cooper

The most absurd "fallacy" ever invented. What's next: Appeal to Christ as a "fallacy?"

Oliver Evans
Oliver Evans

Okay yeah here's a absence of reason in this joke website:
If people find out that doing something stops something bad form happening, like how using soap prevents infections, they will start using it
This becomes tradition
Because everyone uses soap, the disease rate will drop
In a few generations nobody knows why people use soap though
Some rationalist decides not to use soap
Becomes diseased

Asher Gutierrez
Asher Gutierrez

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Easton Walker
Easton Walker

I literally explained why there is "no explanation" to why we do things in that greentext. Go back and read it.

Nolan Cruz
Nolan Cruz

When you offer the explanation, it is no longer a fallacious appeal to authority
I'm not really following your point

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

The point is that this is basically a non fallacy. You can literally use my argument for ANY instance of people using the fallacy.
In itself "its tradition" is already a argument, and the argument is "If you suddenly stop something you always did, you'll encounter the reason people started doing it in first place".

Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

Ironically you're falling victim to the "fallacy fallacy", by thinking that the identification of a fallacy defeats the position.

Historical examples are fine supporting evidence but not sufficient for an argument alone. That's the point.
The post only says "the west has always done it" and asserts "there's nothing wrong"

Isaac Brown
Isaac Brown

Just having a internet argument
Opponent goes full damage control mode for admittedly no reason
???

Anyways lets get through this.
Ironically you're falling victim to the "fallacy fallacy", by thinking that the identification of a fallacy defeats the position.
What people mean by "Fallacy Fallacy", is that only the fallacy is refuted when you point it out, and not any other thing the opponent as said.
But even that is wrong since I'm arguing that "Appeal to Tradition" isn't even a fallacy.

but not sufficient for an argument alone
It is, I've explained the wide reaching implications of a appeal to tradition in and

The post only says "the west has always done it"
Wrong, this is clearly a argument:
beer and wine have historically been the equivalent to modern day sodas, except way better for your health.

Jack Hernandez
Jack Hernandez

Just watched bits of a documentary with renown moonshiner Popcorn Sutton and in it he says his granddad built the first Baptist church in Hemphill with proceeds from moonshine sales. Even if you argue over the effects it has on people, the influence it has on the development of cultures and societies has been notable.

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