Young adults dropping out of church in large numbers…

You are probably a gnostic

Mostly men, no doubt. Protestant pastors generally don't care if men start leaving the church, so long as one or more women take his place and tithe accordingly. Oh sure, they might do the occasional preaching on how men need to "man up" and start coming to church, but that's all just lip service for women. So long as the congregations grow bigger and the shekels keep rolling in, they couldn't care less.

In a way this is true, Woman typically take lead in the spiritual life of the family unless the Man is strong in his faith. If the man is a devout, the woman will raise the children as she'll see fit.
I wish I could be a pastor of a Protestent Church to guide boys into man but alas I'm becoming Catholic.

Unless the man is a devout*

Nice try, schlomo. You can't fool us.

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Catholic decline in the US is almost identical to mainline protestant, as compared to the slow decline in evangelicalism

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Are they aware I can math and see over 10% of the population are missing? What are they - mormons?

Not going to touch some of the FUBAR stuff like porn not being a sin, but you've happened onto a correct point (at least with regards to Catholicism) about foreign priests. There's a reason the Church was called upon to make disciples of all nations, so that they could preach to the people in a voice they knew. How can the church be the centre of communal life if the head of the local church is a foreign transplant who literally isn't part of the community? We used to have a local priest who everyone loved, but of course he was sent to Africa. So Africa gets our priests, while we get a succession of India's priests, in what world does that make any sense? There's no more sure way to kill attendance, save preaching full homo-acceptance judeo-christ.

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Same here friend. I grew up Protestant, eventually saw through the propaganda aimed at the Catholic Church, went to my first Mass recently, and couldn't be happier with my decision. In regards to turning boys into men, you could always do that as a Catholic. Disillusioned young men today are longing for role models and tradition, which the Church provides.

Wrap it up boys, we got em

Yeah, true. But also I raise the pastoral role into my discourse because I would like to facilitate correct theology.
What denomination are you comming from? Presbyterian here, I was heavy into James White for a few months but he's the one that actually turned me into Catholicism in the end by virtue of his debates, and rancid attitude towards Catholics by his denoucement of their brotherhood in Christ.

Baptist. Some of the realizations that led to me pursuing Catholicism:
That's not a comprehensive list of course, but just some of the reasons that come to mind right now.

Read "Rome Sweet Home" by Scott and Kimberly Hahn, former Presbyterians as well. It's a nice book about their conversion to Catholicism and marriage

Catholics are much more nominal (lukewarm) than Baptists and evangelicals broadly

Neither is ice cream, but it exists
Do you follow the regulative principle?

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Am I wrong?

You're wrong to try to start another denominational debate in this thread yeah.

Not my intent
I see an assertion and I challenge it

Youth attendance is up at traditional Latin masses

An O'wise baptist, how does your image refute his claim?

Do you think his intent of said lukewarmness was to say they didn't have a belief in God?

No, I'm offering a piece of empirical evidence to show one symptom of lukewarmness in comparison among religious groups

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I believe user was also drawing into comparisions about their congregations when he was inside the church buildings.

Maybe, that's fine. I don't intend to challenge his experience.
I'm only sharing that, in the aggregate, Catholics are clearly more nominal than Evangelical Protestants. He used the phrase "in general".

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But you're just spamming photos? You're not really engaging the user directly are you? Question

If you God called you to become Catholic would you?

What is with this hyper criticism of my posting habits
I'm substantiating my point: Catholics are more nominal than Baptists

God does not ever call anyone to be a Catholic. Even if an actual angel came and said so, they are to be accursed in keeping with Galatians 1 and the urgency against false gospel to include Catholic works salvation.

Put another way, for God to call me to be a Catholic would make God a liar and contradict his word in the Bible

I see so you just straight up deny the faith of the Catholics. I bet that's because you don't understand Catholics, as evidence;
Which doesn't exist.

My point is proven you where here to just belittle Catholics. I hope you overcome your heart of stone. God speed user. I'll pray for you.

Ok bud

Don't do that

I'm an anonymous poster, no deeds I have done on this Forum will ever come to fall upon my identity for your judgement it falls else where.
This user denounces another mans faith simply because he disagrees. That is frankly quite disturbing to me and I urge you to pray for him as well.
Praying for a brother is a humble task and I draw no light to me, but simply show that I encourage growth in their faith by being there for them in spirit.

Bless.

Looks like the sedes are right.

It's a theological conclusion not a personal condemnation you goober
Example:
I have never been sprinkle baptized or participated in any other catholic sacraments. Am I going to heaven?
Typical Catholic answer: No
Is that Catholic being mean spirited? No

Are you literally shaking too?

Obviously not since you typed it out and clicked post

???????
You claim that God has saved no baptised soul in the Catholic Church by virtue of saying he's called no one to the Church.
You claim God would be a LIAR if he took people into the Catholic Faith.

You claim to know better than God it seems, for many people are called to be baptised in the Catholic Church.

The answer is it's possible but unlikely, if you're un-baptised.
If you claim Faith what's to stop you from being baptised? We are called to be baptised if we are professing members of Christ.

You dont even need to be a sede. Vat2 was barely even a council, there was no dogma that came out of it and it didnt condemn or approve of very much. Even all the changes in litrguy a disciplines are rarely found in vat2, it was boomers meddling with stuff they shouldnt

Are you a relativist, or a universalist?
Evangelical and Catholic statements of the gospel are mutually exclusive. This is not controversial.

Flawless logic

The Gospels message is that Jesus Christ lived and died for our sins.

Gosh it looks like it also created the current climate change problems too!

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climate change isn't a problem

Of course sola scriptura isnt mentioned, its implied. If you think catholicism is anything but lukewarm, you are delusional. Most "catholics" dont even believe in God

Remind me again the catholic rationale for the hatred of Jews? Bonus points if it doesn't involve conspiracies

(1) They're not the israelites from the bible
(2) They hate and attack christians at every turn
(3) usury bad
(4) They're technically heretics

Food for thought. I don't think a children's service is necessarily bad as long as it is relevant and doesn't water things down, but having it at the same time as regular service could be problematic.

You want those churches filled? Start preaching honest morality and be a voice against immorality.

can't wait till all the boomers finally die off and its just a hand full of people at Mass who actually give a winnie the pooh and aren't just there for the music. maybe then the church will get her shit together

what could ever go wrong?

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One could hope. There's no denying the large number of disillusioned young men and women who long for what their (pre-Boomer) grandparents had; tradition, morals, class, stable marriages, happy families, safe neighborhoods, etc.. If Gen. Z is anything to go by, Western Christians will become fewer in number but more devout as time goes on - a necessary trade-off, given the current state of affairs.

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No wonder. Being Catholic at this point is just the same as being in some LGBT-group, just that you have to pay church tax, and nobody wants that.

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I wouldn't slander Christ's Church

neither would I, that's why I only slander Catholics

I'm sure Michael Cerularius and Photius will welcome their own.

Two men who defended the Orthodox faith against Catholic heresy, I don't see what you mean to say.

Michael Cerularius was a complete thug, and there is a reason why the Orthodox never made him a saint.

As for Photius, I still cannot find any satisfactory answer to how this guy managed to become a priest -> patriarch within six days.

Just some more baseless accusations, in typical papist fashion.
When it comes to pedophile thugs and mafia connections I can only find one so called church in the news: Roman Catholic.

"The bishops, knowing the piety and extensive knowledge of Photius, informed the emperor that he was a man worthy to occupy the archpastoral throne. Saint Photius accepted the proposal with humility. He passed through all the clerical ranks in six days."

This isn't a "papist lie", this comes from the Orthodox of American website: oca.org/saints/lives/2012/02/06/100442-st-photius-the-patriarch-of-constantinople

Tell me, friend, did they really promote Photius into a Patriarch in LESS THAN A WEEK because he was so good, or because he was corrupt and played politics?

If you cannot defend him, you cannot defend Orthodoxy, for these two are the originator and executor of the Schism. Most Orthodox sources I find don't even bother defending Cerularius, btw.

A single child molested by Catholic priests is a thousand times greater sin than some priest being promoted too quickly could ever be.
Every Christian understands this, but you Catholics are deceived by the Whore of Babylon so you value lawyering higher than goodness.

Don't be a complete fool, the reprobate will be separated from the faithful on Judgement day. If we follow your logic to its conclusion, Judas betraying Christ destroyed the Church from the very beginning.

Ah OK, no wonder you offer no defense. You don't even know who Photius or Cerularius are, do you? Protestant.

You are nitpicking of the most minute details in the Orthodox church, yet glaringly ignorant of your Catholic failures, starting with your heretical man-made papism. If you want to kvetch about secular involvement in church matters you should look at your Avignon papacy, you'll find more substantial material there.
Of course I know who St. Photios and Kerularios are. Calling somebody a Protestant seems to be the papist's last line of defense, but to me it just means that I've won the debate, because it shows how wrong your intution is. The Holy Spirit truly doesn't dwell within papists.

These are not "minute details", if you fail to defend Photius' actions, you fail to defend the Schism. You're only focused on whining about reprobate priests.

You seem to offer very little to defend them! Cerularius is recorded, even by your own people, as being a complete thug. After he schismed with the Pope, he sought to place himself as a bully-bishop, telling everyone what to do.

With Photius and Cerularius as your representation, who can deny that Orthodoxy is a complete sham?

There is nothing to defend, St. Photios did nothing wrong. Advancing quickly through the ranks is not a sin.
The Schism was preceded by a mututal anathema, which was started by the papists.

There is nothing to defend, St. Photios did nothing wrong. Advancing quickly through the ranks is not a sin.
The Schism was preceded by a mututal anathema, which was started by the papists.
Also, I'm glad the schism happened, because we don't need you. It was God's mercy alone that kept half of the church save from the pedophiles clutches of the Quran-kissing Vatican.

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He did everything wrong. He stood by as St. Ignatius was deprived of his seat by an adulterer emperor, and became complicit in the crime by accepting the righteous place of St. Ignatius.

He was not only part of the priest-hood, he was a layman. Yet, in SIX days he went from Priest-Patriarch. This is ridiculous, what kind of a baboon would accept this as legitimate?

The drowning goat taunts the sheep in the boat. Get in before it's too late for you.

Catholic churches are closing in Europe, Orthodox churches are being built. Let's each do what we think is best, and God will decide who is right.

There could be only one Catholic Church left in the world, and it would be the only one Church of Christ. Christ built His Church on St. Peter, and it'd be better to die than to leave it.

Saint Cyril of Alexandria also did more than a few thug-like things. Are we now supposed to disregard everything he wrote and become Nestorians? And regarding Photius, all we know is that he rose through the ranks very quickly. While this is remarkable, to immediately assume it was because of some behind the scenes corruption is pure conjecture. He was also one of the most learned men in the world at a time when the Byzantine Empire was in a state of great turmoil and desperate for scholars.

Muslims attack Christianity more, and plenty of goyim work for lending businesses. And similarly, Jews definitely hate Muslims more than they do Christians. You can't be a heretic of you're outside the church. Finally, as Christians we are called to love and pray for all of the above groups, and not be hateful towards them.

Saint Cyril isn't objectively responsible for the Schism between half the Church of Jesus Christ.

Moreover, to brush off the ascendance of a layman to patriarch in SIX days is just…I don't even know, who in the world cannot conceive of this as massive corruption?

Did Photius even preside over the consecration of a normal Sunday Mass?

let me add, this was so stunning and obviously corrupt to everyone else, the Church (both of them) made sure that nobody could become Bishop/Patriarch without a minimum of ten years!

Who told you this? The Holy Spirit?

Not amazed.
'Murican protestantism is mostly evangelical or baptist where OSAS rules all.
This means that the church has essentially done its job (saving people from eternal punishment) once they started believing even if it wasn't for long.

I take you up on it mate.
Those statistics are absolutely right and you didn't say anything negative of any denomination either.
I do want to point out that there's a statistical overlap between the once-a-week churchgoers in the catholic stats and the catholics reading scripture and being against same-sex marriage.

I say it's because clowns like these make our faith look like a joke. They used innocent people to get funding, and turned their faith in God's Word into a sideshow for the masses. Anyone who seems to actually understand the Bible is an enemy in their eyes, driving more wedges amongst God's children.

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Wheelchair-bound Black Lesbian Tranny Flying Spaghetti Monster would be very proud of you.

Sure he is. The schism between the Cathodox and the Nestorians and Coptics.

brainlet
Did you not watch the Ken Ham - Bill Nye debate?

Why would Christ create the Church (a physical one, mind you) and declare St. Peter the head of said Church, only to state the Church's rules are not to be abided by and to follow scripture alone instead? That makes no sense.
Implying Protestants aren't lukewarm themselves.
The list goes on. Strong Christians become Catholic, while weak Catholics (often cradle ones corrupted by modernism) become Protestant/secular.
Kek, so you say. Most Prots only go to church today for community, music, entertainment, and free coffee/food, not to honor God and better connect with Him. As for Protestant pastors, most of them only do it because it's lucrative… I say these things not out of spite, but out of disappointment after finding out the hard way.

These people ARE the world.
You can't argue for Divine Revelation by observation of this world. First because it's Theologically wrong and on a practical level because you've ceded ground on metalogic, if you believe we can get to Truth without the completeness of Divine Revelation; then you agree with the atheist 100%.
How can you convince someone you agree?

Why would you start this debate when we have popes like the Borgias and plenty of corruption to point out throughout Catholic history. You cannot prove that God will not use wicked or weak men to bring about His will when the Papacy has had a number of examples of such a thing happening. Popes that we safely assume are in Hell now.

thats a meme reply to a meme post. Wherever you look, many so called ""Christians""" have zero true Faith (which is infinitely more than a mere believing) and while I dont disagree with any of your points, I say those apply to catholics or orthodox as well. People here pretend that all of the catholic world is devout and tradcat, but the truth is everything you just levied against prots applies to your papal church as well. Sure, yours might be devout and your priest a true man in Christ, and so is my baptist church, but the infection spreads deep, and the devout church is becoming the exception not the rule, atleast in the comfortable West, and catholics don't have some special immunity to cultural "christianity", where faith is becoming "I believe, and act like Christ on some sundays, but I like to keep my religious life separate than my real, errr ummm, my secular life!"

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Muslims are just arian-bedouin syncretists, they're also technically heretics.

We're supposed to pray for heretics, but also resist them and their works.

There comes a point when you stop praying, and start screaming your prayers. For some. I still believe.

What do corrupt Popes have to do with Photius and his corruption? These Popes, despite their best efforts, did not successfully splinter the Church of Jesus Christ.

Photius did.

It's no surprise. The churches are almost entirely corrupt. They worship idols and refuse to address reality because it will cost them money and put them in legal jeopardy. Christian preachers are some of the most despicable people on the planet. They've evolved into carbon copies of the scribes and pharisees in Jesus day. More people come to Christ through Zig Forums than through the church and the reason why is because Zig Forums is honest and preachers are liars.

Who said anything about liking muslims?

just remember- the people at the bottom, never know what's going on at the top.

Doubt those are catholics. more likely a group of satanists feigning catholicism because they know the media will help them in their charade

Honestly the reduction in Catholics is cutting out the modernist fat. I've firsthand known people who have left Catholicism because they realized they couldn't make it suit their degenerate lifestyles. That's the difference between Catholics - EO and Protestants, tradition preserves faith and Protestantism is a revolutionary, modernist belief system that changes its tune to whatever is being broadcast.

They won't let me have sex with farm animals. Why would I bother wasting my time going to church only to drain myself sitting next to people who want to ruin my life and make me feel like I should have stayed in bed? Why waste the effort to worship bad laws amongst bad people? Going to church is no different than worshiping suicide.

Evangelical protestantism (the one that actually affirms the Bible and Reformation theology) is the least affected by the surrounding culture. The RCC had Vatican 2, but the SBC had a conservative resurgence.

It's sad really. I get annoyed and rant a bit on these boards sometimes, but honestly.. what if I told people "it's all real"? Not that you don't know that by faith.. but it is is.. it's all real. Even the things you were told as a child. I dread the things humanity has to eventually answer for. It's all real. I hope they repent. As Jesus said "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." People who do these things don't believe in anything. They have no clue as to the reality of it. They'd shudder in fear at the thought of their own stupidity, if they only knew.

So don't hold it against Catholics too much. I know they have their issues, but these people are clearly fakes.