Albeit inconsistently
Souls that never heard of Christ
What? You responded to the wrong poster. I believe they'll go to Purgatory
What's the setting you took your screenshot from?
I agree that this would fit in the passage, but what's he's instead pointing out is the sinful circumstances of his conception; not his sin.
The very concept of sin opposes this idea of inherited guilt "the wages of sin is death". Sin is an action by which you deserve God's wrath, not a status thrust upon you.
No, you never proved your idea that David had a faulty conception of the afterlife despite my references otherwise
I've looked at all the same verses with you and none of them require a belief in an inherited guilt. The reason I'm still pushing 2 Samuel is because it is a definitive defeater to the damnation of babies, but you're not addressing it directly enough.
You are articulating the regular reformed position and I believe you are being totally consistent. I only think the flaws in your argument are in your hermeneutics, and I suspect you have some neoplatonist inclinations like Augustine did.
Agreed, like John MacArthur
Inculpable ignorance is a thing, and so is Purgatory. Those who really seriously genuinely lcould not have known Christ but lived their lives according the Laws of God that were written on their hearts may have come to know Christ in Purgatory and moved on to ultimate salvation from there.
No. Many non-Christian peoples got very good at suppressing the intrinsic morals God gave them at birth and lived lives of sin. Fornication, homosexuality, pederasty, human sacrifice, and cannibalism were all very common in heathen societies. Like the Ninevites, most pagans needed to be consciously informed of God in order to fully discard the lives of sin their cultures encouraged. But even though their cultures encouraged these sins, these people were still ultimately responsible for their own actions because God creates all of us with His laws written on our hearts, so on some level they knew intrinsicly that what they were doing was wrong. Those individuals who failed to convert would have been damned anyway.
Pugatory is where the souls of those who did not die in mortal sin go. But from what I've heard about purgatory, even there you will be burnt. Also, i've heard that babies go limbo instead. I don't know the difference but just putting it out there.
The setting is from when you go the the site where it posts the verses in all the translation versions then scroll down and it breaks it down word by word.
Wouldn't make any sense in light of the context and original language which i screenshotted.
You kinda just proved yourself wrong. Sin is what makes us die and all men die. Also, the bible does also say that humans are sinful since youth as seen in Genesis 8:21
We're going in circles and it's getting a little pedantic
I'm not a Hebrew grammarian, but the formal equivalence translations favor the sentence structure that I'm arguing from. I also shared the original language and I answered your objection with the context.
Agreed, Adam's sin brought the first (physical) death. What I'm saying is that only personal sin brings the second death. You don't get wages for work you didn't do.
Agreed. Sinful meaning inclined towards sin. Notice "intention of man's heart".
Do I need to repeat my point?
David clearly and repeatedly believed in salvation FROM that grave, and that he had it. You're the one who quoted him saying so:
Im taking him literally. I know it's narrative and not firstly about teaching salvation if that's what you mean.
It contradicts YOUR doctrine of original sin, not the Bible.
First, physical death. Everyone dies as a result of the curse.
Again about physical death, this time with physical resurrection
Verse 21 "by man came also the resurrection of the dead"
We know that belief in God brings everlasting life against the second death according to John 3:16. Even though I physically die, I will have eternal life by going to heaven. Later, I will have a physical resurrection and the first death will be undone.
Romans 3 and Romans 6 are the classic gospel tract summation of sin. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". You fall short because you have sinned. It does not say "all fall short because humans are inherently evil". It does not say "all fall short" then end.
"The wages of sin is death". The sins you have done make you deserve death, that is the second death. It goes on "but the gift of God is eternal life"
Sin is a transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 "sin is lawlessness"
Despite being fully man, and fully born from a sinful mother, Jesus "knew no sin" 2 Corinthians 5:21. If Romans 5 means you are imputed with sin, the exception isn't made for Christ.
you're right this is getting repetitive. But ill answer one thing right now before I go. You say:
But this is wrong.
Okay, and all of those intentions are individual actions that are sins. You're guilty of committing adultery in your heart if you look to lust, not if you're liable to look to lust.
And we all do it even from out youth.