Sabbath day

… Why what?

Why is it the last day of creation.

embeciles. what about this

You have read the Bible, since you are quoting from it. That's a weird question to ask.

On the Lord's Day: see Isaiah 2:6-22; Ezekiel 30; Joel 2:1-11; Amos 8:9-14; Zephaniah 1:2-18,2:1-3… This is the day of final judgement, where all nations will be gathered and will be given a final punishment.

On this day being the day of the new creation, where the world will end and change to a new mode of existence: see Isaiah 24:16-23,34:1-4,51,52:1-12,65; Ezekiel 40-48; Joel 3-4; Micah 5; Haggai 2; Zachariah 12-14; Malachi 3; Psalm 102; Matthew 24:26-35; Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-27; 1 Corinthians 7:25-40; 2 Peter 3:1-13; Revelation 20:7-15,21:1-8…

In the Bible, the number 7 symbolizes perfection. This page shows some examples where this number is used symbolically to give significance to something: patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/09/26/what-does-the-number-seven-7-mean-or-represent-in-the-bible/
The number 8, however, represents "beyond perfection", in other words, God. Children are circumcised 8 days after birth to represent being grafted onto the people of God, for instance. In Gematria (a numerological system to convert words to numbers, known to the Biblical authors as it is used in the book of Revelation to turn "Nero Caesar" into "666"), "Jesus" is "888".

Early Christians called the day of worship the "Day of the Lord" (Revelation 1:10) and recognized that there is an ultimate day after the 7th. (Hebrews 3:7-19,4:1-13) Their day of worship, where they had communion, was the first day of the week, that is, the day after the Sabbath. (Acts 2:46,20:7) More importantly, the Gospels are careful to portray Jesus's final time in Jerusalem as being a week long, with Him being dead during the Sabbath and resurrecting on the next day.

Finally, I want to point out that Jesus was resurrected with a glorified, spiritual body. The resurrection -has- begun, Jesus is the first-born among the resurrected, we will simply follow all at once at His second coming. (Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:18; Revelation 1:4) But when Jesus was resurrected, the world was judged - whether we resurrect with Him to partake of divine life, or we resurrect for eternal punishment, is up to whether we graft ourselves onto His death and resurrection here and now, through Baptism. (Romans 6:5-11) Therefore, even if the fullness of the Lord's Day is going to come at the end of the world, the Lord's Day has already come upon us in the resurrection of Jesus, and, when we partake of Christ's Body and Blood on Sunday, we receive our salvation or our condemnation. (1 Corinthians 10:14-17,11:17-34)

Why not change from a 7 to an 8-day week then?

Because the "8th" day is really the 1st day. A week in the calendar was 7 days long then and it is 7 days long now. Even the Acts of the Apostles simply call the day of worship the 1st day of the week. We're not going to mess up the calendar just to adjust to the Resurrection, especially since the 8th day being the 1st day is significant - it is not just another day atop the 7 others, but the day of the new creation. It is a day of beginning, like the 1st day of creation was. St. Basil the Great calls it the day "without evening".

Acts 20:7 isn't a prescription.

But the roman empire did have an 8-day week back in the first century (the nundinal cycle) so there would have been nothing to mess up there.

The Resurrection being on the 1st day (as well as Pentecost) is certainly meaningful, but it does not exactly justify the changing of times and seasons by moving the Sabbath to Sunday, especially considering that the day of Firstfruits and Pentecost did always fall on a Sunday (unless you go by the talmudic interpretation) and it didn't invalidate the Saturday Sabbath.
(I suppose I'm just somewhat distressed by the Church deciding to do away with even the remembrance of some of the festivals instituted by God and inventing their own ones instead, then making them mandatory)

ANYWAYS, is the specific day one celebrates the Sabbath on even the intended topic of this thread?
Should we not first discuss the question Do you believe that we should keep a weekly day of rest, where we also do not force others to work, as is commanded in the ten commandments? And what about playing the vidya on it, eh?

Nay.

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Is this one of those questions about whether the sabbath is actually Saturday or Sunday? If so, are we sinning for having Church service on the wrong day?

Fake and gay. The early Christians celebrated a feast on the day of resurrection, but still kept the Sabbath as a day of worship and rest. The first to change that were those of the church in Rome, by the decree of Constantine and because they wanted to move away from Judaism, and yet the rest of Christendom continued to keep the Sabbath for a long time.

The Socrates book is also named "Ecclesiastical History".

Should the Sabbath be observed on Saturday?
Should the Sabbath be observed on Sunday?
Should the Sabbath be observed on both those days?
What are we supposed to do on Sabbath days?
What are we permitted to do on Sabbath days?
What are we not supposed to do on Sabbath days?
What are we forbidden to do on Sabbath days?
What are we supposed to do on non-Sabbath days?
What are we permitted to do on non-Sabbath days?
What are we not supposed to do on non-Sabbath days?
What are we forbidden to do on non-Sabbath days?

When taking the whole chapter as context, I'm thinking that the sabbath mentioned is specifically the day of atonement, since that is the only feast day where the people were commanded to humble themselves, which was often interpreted as fasting from food and water.
>And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.

Pretty interesting.
The Didache prescribes that the Lord's supper is to be celebrated on the Lord's day. Now I wonder if the term refers to every Sunday or the day of Resurrection.

Don't know. While I do believe that Sabbath should be observed on the 7th day, I don't think having services on Sunday (assuming it is not the Sabbath) is sinful or even bad. There is a mention that the weekly Sabbath is to be a holy gathering together (Leviticus 23:3) but the commandment in Exodus just tells you not to do work and not to cause others to do work in order to keep the day holy. What constitutes work may be a topic of discussion, but we can at least tell, that the Rabbis didn't get it right, considering that Jesus explicitly didn't follow their tradition in John 9:14-16
(I believe this refers to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat#Kneading/amalgamation )

What you are supposed to do on every day though, is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and love your neighbour as yourself.

Bullshit conspiracy crap.
If that were the case, the rest of the Sees would have rose in protest, and churches outside the Empire wouldnt have been affected(and the non-chalcedonians and assyrians would have been saturday worshipping)

How about actually READING it, instead of parroting the dishonest, history-manipulating lies of adventists.
Those quotes are about the Easter Controversy (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism), which besides not being reated to the subject at hand, was also almost 300 years before Constantine legalized Christianity, and 250 before he was even born.

At the beginning of the chapter he talks about the Quartodecimanism, but later he leaves that subject and begins to compare the differences between the religious customs of the different churches and to comment on that, moment in which he touches on the Sabbath subject.

Hey, I'm not saying that it was Constantine who started all this, the church of Rome has always had more gentiles than the other churches, Constantine only accelerated a process that was already underway for years, in fact, his civil decree came out in the fourth century, and Socrates, the historian, lived in the fifth.

So you are telling me that the churches outside the empire did not receive influence or pressure from their companions inside the empire?

… The Sabbath is on Saturday. Not Sunday. I thought I made it clear.
You can always look at a Greek calendar if you don't believe me.

The Ten Commandments were given to the Jews on Mount Sinai. They are great moral rules to follow but they must be re-interpreted in light of Christ. Hence why we celebrate the Lord's Day but not the Sabbath.

Sigh. I won't entertain a Judaizer.

No.
No.
No.
Remember the creation in Genesis. Remember the Harrowing of Hell. Pray for the dead.
Christian things as usual.
Observe the Sabbath of the Jews like a filthy Judaizer (unless it is for cultural reasons, as for the Ethiopians and Eritreans).
Being a heretic for one.
Christian things as usual. Go to liturgy on the Lord's Day.
Christian things as usual.
Non-Christian things.
… Definitely non-Christian things.

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Yes, if you believe that we must follow the Sabbath of the Jews, you are a Judaizer. No different from claiming that we must be circumcised or that we must abstain from impure food.

Yeah, but that entire segment of that chapter, and especially the parts before and after this bit, are pretty much about what people do before, during, and after the festival, so it's reasonable to say it's about what people do during Easter.

Which process?
What decree?
There is no document going "you do Mass on sunday now".
The only one he gives on the subject is telling pagans and christians to stop being at each other's throats, since they are romans, and they even both find sunday to be special.

Would be hard to do so, especially for parts like Armenia(that dont even do Christmas), India, or Persia(they developed culturally distinct inside the Persian Empire, and their reaction in the Council of Seleucia-Ctesiphon was "Niceea doesn't concern us, since it was a roman synod, but we agree with the christology")

Minor correction. They do Christmas and Theophany as a single feast day, on the 6th of January. It seems this was the practice of the early Church but the Nativity was re-calculated to be 9 months after the Annunciation, so the 25th of December, while Theophany was kept on the 6th of January.

Oh here we go.

The process of transforming the feast of the resurrection into the "day of the Lord," abandoned to the Sabbath that had always carried that title.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

I'll search more about that later.

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Some people have to work on Sunday and are lucky to even to attend Mass on, a Sunday.
Paying the bills requires employment and telling employers you won't work Sunday means they can hire the person who will.

That is not the point. The Sabbath is the decreed day of rest and assembly. By removing these observances from that day and assigning them to another, you are in effect moving the Sabbath.
A name in itself has no meaning. You can, after all, call yourself a Christian, while following all the tenets of Satanism.

I don't care about any theology crap, I'll follow Christ's example and that's good enough for me.

It's in the scriptures that Jewish covenant laws were not binding. The Jerusalem council in Acts was pretty clear of all that was required of Gentiles: Don't drink blood, don't eat food sacrificed to idols, and stay free from sexual immorality (Acts 15:19-21). You think they didn't think this through and simply forgot about the Sabbath or Circumcision.. or whatever other pattern one could follow Jesus in?

No. It's a Council held none other than by the Apostles themselves! There's never been anything like it since. Of course they thought it through. These weren't chumps..or your Pastor Fred making things up willy nilly. Because it was also the Holy Spirit working through them.

Judaizers were precisely the guys who said you had to do everything Jesus did. They preached Patternism, rather than anything to do with the importance of Covenants and what was still binding. And St. Paul continually got on people's cases for this very thing… and over and over and over again screamed at the top of his lungs about the crucial importance of the new covenant.

The word jew came from the English bible translation in the 17th century, and meant "person from Judea".
A warring tribe called the Ashkenazis looked at different religions in the early centuries A.D. and selected the religion of the Scribes and Pharisees (who had rejected Christ). The tribe converted to their new religion and subsequently revised and renamed it "Judaism" and continue to write religious books of various laws to follow it known as "The Talmud".
The were so successful that today many people actually call them "jews" as if they are people from Judea, and they have managed to obtain the land of Judea also.
See Rev2:9, and Rev3:9 for the TL;DR

The word "jew" is used ambiguously to refer to "a member of the Ashkenazi tribe and blood line" or "a person of Judea".

Based.

So… Christians?

Many Christians hold to the Lord's Day, which is similar to the Sabbath. Don't work, don't go shopping unless you didn't plan ahead and you absolutely have to. Spend the day reading your bible or a devotional, fellowship, deepen your relationship with God. The Sabbath law is part of the moral law, stretching back to the Creation account in Gen 1, and therefore applies to all people (just like the rest of the 10 commandments). It is generally accepted that acts of mercy, necessity, and emergency are allowed. So if your job is a pastor, you can work on the Lord's Day (just like how the priests worked on the Sabbath), or if you are a police office or a bus driver (I would argue public transport is a necessity in most cities) then you can work on the Lord's Day.

I don't really know what you want to discuss or not. Whether we should adhere to the Lord's Day? Well Gen 1 and Ex 20 are pretty clear. As for it being on a Sunday, that was generally the consensus of the early church, and John makes reference to the Lord's Day in Revelation. If you are convinced that you should hold the day on Saturday then gl finding a good church that's open on Saturday (hint: SDA are not good).

antinomians need not apply.

You don't care about theology?
You don't want to know God on a deeper level?

Mark 2:23-28

If you're a Trinitarian you'll follow the Holy Spirit (through the apostles) as well.

The Holy Spirit can't contradict itself.

What contradiction? We're under the new covenant, not the old, and as a gentile I'm not party to the old covenant anyway - it was only for Hebrews from Moses until the crucifixion. The Holy Spirit through the apostles at the council at Jerusalem said what rules gentiles should follow.

First, the ten commandments were not part of the old covenant. Jesus encouraged His disciples to keep the law (John 14:21) and so did the apostles (James 2:10). The ceremonial law was no longer necessary, because its purpose had already been concluded, but God's Law was not (Matthew 5:18).

Second, you are misinterpreting that verse. In that verse, James explains which of the laws of Moses, the ceremonial laws, should still be obeyed. The Sabbath is not a ceremonial law, so it is not mentioned, just as almost no one of the other nine commandments is mentioned.

Third, the word "Christian" literally means "Little Christs", I don't really know where you got it from that the text meant not to imitate Christ, if He himself says so that we follow his example (1 Peter 1:15-16). To contradict that would be to say that the Holy Spirit contradicts itself, since the apostles were guided by it.

Matthew 5

Gym on Sabbath day, yes or no?

Going to the gym on the Sabbath makes you meditate on God's infinite love and mercy?

Yes, every rep for Him

-Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sep 1 1923

Reps for Jesus!

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