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Sacrifice of the Eucharisty hmmmm
Be united with the Hight Priest Christ who offered himself as a pure sacrifice? Hmmm
I guess you were right. We are the ones with invalid priesthood.
Just.
But ironically the male ordination in the Swedish Lutheran Church is valid since they really have apostolic succession. (when until the lesbian bishops destroy the male hierarchy)
Repent and begone Anglican rite gatholic.
Ummm, I do, also I had the Eucharist this morning and the vicar's language was definitely sacrificial, it was also presented as being the true body and blood of the Saviour. You see, we aren't legalistic, but we are Catholic. It's not a question of canon law for us whether a thing is or isn't, rather "where we are" ritually speaking is determined by faith alone and the law that presides upon it is the law of conscience.
This might raise a few eyebrows, especially when there are abuses of the openness this entails, but so far I haven't found the need yet to become Anglican rite Catholic
The stripped down language I dislike, although as you can see, we do maintain a sacrificial understanding of Christ's atonement.
We all know that even if that's true today it wasn't in the beginning when your king Edward yielded to the protestant interests and took their believes about the Mass and etc, the apostolic succession lasted maybe to the second generation of bishops at most.
I know that many anglos are going back to the roots, some of them are even praying the rosary.
Than what's stopping you to go back to the Church?
It probably would sound better in Latin but likeng the language or not is a matter or opinion. The Orthos ordinate with order words but the intention is there.
That's good, but first you would need just one Bishop properly ordinated.
For now Anglican ordinarites are fine, but I hope one day the whole high church can go back to the Catholic Church, probably even getting their own Patriarch.
I see more future in that than with the orthobros tbqh.
I began that this week, although it was challenging
I don't object to Rome, and I probably will go the Ordinate route. I don't have such options where I am though, both owing to work, location etc. Also I need time to think about it.
I speak Latin, and I do attend places where I know it will be the main language of the service, however our Evensongs are not too poor either.
This is where I say "just f*ck my shit up," however I know that my current vicar was ordained by an actual Bishop at a much earlier point in India. It makes an impossible question for me; do I rush to save my Church? Or find another one?
At any rate, now (finishing a degree, and being a Christian a mere 10 months) is the wrong time to answer that question definitively.
Why do you not listen to them about anything else? The Church Fathers clearly don't preach Anglicanism. You have to be incredibly dishonest or not actually read them to believe this.
Do find another church for your vicar and your parish.
Since your vicar is already ordained the process will be smooth as winnie the pooh.
From what you describe you are already more Catholic than 99% of the catholics I've met.
If there's no Catholic Church nearby, I think imo that's OK to go to your mass since that if your priest is a valid one and says the words of consacration, although illicit the sacrament is valid.
Still I'd discuss this with your vicar about getting an Anglican ordinarite.
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Well, I'm only passing through, I don't wish to presume with the vicar, he's a kindly man (so is our ersatz bishop a kindly woman, but nevertheless as a strict question, she is not a Bishop in the sense of the apostles and there's no denying it if we're actually Chalcedonians and not some weird anti-Pauline heresy).
Pfft, sour grapes all over then? This is why I want to take the ordinariate route; namely do even Catholics care? Having known many Catholics, the answer I come to is that about 3 in 10 do. Now all I guess the last problem I will have is Humanae Vitae — now that was a Galileo Affair I really didn't need in my bedroom tbqh, and it still pisses me off that Paul VI did it, because I know for a fact that he made sure of mass apostasy in every quarter, and not just his own Church, though it might be shitty in Paul VI's view to use contraception, and I by no means condone abortion, we must all do what's best for the mouths we have to feed here on earth already, and by making the absolutist point, the Streisand effect took over and now we have a Moloch worship problem.
In short I would even go so far as to blame the entire pro-life/pro-choice culture war of our time on Paul VI's imbecilic choice to crusade in the bedroom against liberalism, while the liberals waged total war on everything else; gutting us culturally when the real emphasis should have been on our conscience from the beginning.
I wish I had an answer to that problem
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But never mind
No "Catholics" don't care. Most of them don't even go to Mass and those who do belong 100% to the world.
As a physicist I acknowledge that Galilaeo spoke out of his ass with no good experimental proofs. The church (or beeter yet the eccleasiastic Court) did well in Her decision since as far as people knew Galileo theories were kinda of pseudo scientific, that is with no rigorous experimental tests. We were still on the boundary between natural philosophy and modern physics.
Also since the reformation was going on it would be dangerous to let people have their own ideias about everything.
Galileio was also sometimes a bastard because in his book he mocks sarcastically the pope which was one of his best friends.
This one almost was enough to make the man a Saint.
He had the courage against the whole world to affirm once again the Christian doctrine on sexuallity.
With the sexual revolution many people shat on the church teachings, some even thought that they changed, a clear authoritative statement was needed.
Paul VI joins every Church Father in saying contraception is wrong.
Not only what pic related says, but using sex, something God made for procreation and that after the Fall was twisted by our inner conscupience, for our selfish desires without being open to the gift of children is a grave sin and an insult to God, for he didn't make sex for that purpose.
The pope understands obviously that people can't have children at everytime.
So he proposes what he calls the Natural family planning. If done correctly couples can space the births of their offspring and still grow in chastity, respect and love, and in every act still be open to having children were contraception completely destroys that possibility.
And not to mention we don't know what effects the pill has on women.
I actually totally agree with him, forgive me for tone policing the Vatican, also I have yet to read the epistle, so my views may or may not change, but I have an open mind.
That mate, is the "kosher switch" of birth control
No he didn't, I accept that too, but being real about the situation means accepting that birth control happened in every era
Really all I'm concerned about from a realistic standpoint is that many feel that they have been priced out of salvation. Christ is the bread of the world; the teaching in Humanae Vitae makes him too expensive for many sinners. I'm not saying we should just fail to teach them when it suits a liberal agenda, but certainly we have to get people started on the path, rather than throwing them in at the deep end, and Humanae Vitae really is the deep end. Learning needs to be gradual, although I accept he had the best of motives for the family and the sacrament of marriage.
How come?
Sodomy and aborting happened in every era as well, that doesn't make them better. Same with contraception.
Christ Himself says we need to go through the narrow door.
The path to salvation is a very hard one.
And besides as the Apostle Paul said God doesn't give us temptations which we can't resist.
Everyone of those fornicators can overcome their addiction.
I agree 100% and so does the church.
When, for example, a "remarried" Catholic couple ask the priest for help they go through a gradual spiritual growth. Sin by habit is very difficult to let go. So bit by bit, day by day they'll grow in holiness until they can drop their sin for ever.
Same with other sins.