Why would anyone with full autonomy choose to create suffering, even a universe in which they themselves were crucified? No one would.
I'm not saying YHWH doesn't exist. I'm saying he's a liar.
Why would anyone with full autonomy choose to create suffering, even a universe in which they themselves were crucified...
Asher Rogers
Jaxon Collins
And what kind of fool would reject Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?
Benjamin Jenkins
Except God didn't do it. He made everything good.
We just feelly decided to separate ourselves from good and therefore evil arises.
Evil is nothing more than the absense of good, just like darkness is the absense of light.
Because He love us so much that He offered Himself to the Father as a immaculate lamb to save us from death,as a perfect sacrifice.
Joshua Campbell
Someone who doesn't feel as if they've done anything wrong.
1 Peter 1:19-20 King James Version (KJV)
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you
Lincoln Hall
The Word of God says otherwise, if that doesn't convince you then nothing will.
"If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead." (Luke 16:31b)
Kevin Adams
The mosaic law is for the Jew. My ancestors never made that covenant.
Ayden Flores
That's literally not what the verse is saying. Read the chapter, you fool.
Anthony Taylor
Actually, it's apparent you've never read the Bible for that matter. So how about you shut your flytrap and come back once you've taken the time to do your homework. Don't talk ignorantly about things you have no idea about.
Logan James
Actually, He did. He made us capable of experiencing suffering. That said, it is asserted throughout the Bible that suffering for doing good is the greatest demonstration of love and faith. Can love exist in a world of NPCs with no capability for free will or suffering?
Caleb Sanders
Hit too close to home? You haven't even responded to the OP. But if you want me to graciously engage you on your terms, virtually every interaction Jesus had in the Gospels was with God's covenanted people (except the non-Jewish woman whom he called a dog, of course), and the parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus is no exception.
Mason Peterson
No
Maybe
Yes
Joshua Williams
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Julian Davis
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Brody Rivera
what about the roman centurion
Jaxon Gomez
Not under the Mosaic covenant either.
Blake Turner
What do you define as "mosaic covenant"?
Christopher Brown
en.wikipedia.org
The Sinaitic covenant, God's law, "the Law," the same law that Christians accuse non-Jews of sinning against even though they were never obligated to uphold any of it.
Landon Price
In death, they will come for you for your idle words. And there's nothing the angels can do to stop them. Please repent.
Sebastian Reyes
Repent of what?
Jace Carter
In death, they will come for you for your idle words. And there's nothing the angels can do to stop them. Please repent.>>767488
Everything. "Amen, amen, I say to you, you must be born from above."
Brandon Price
This is an awful thread.
Lucas Garcia
Everything?
It's supposed to be about someone creating their own crucifixion ex nihilo.
Eli Robinson
It's because God can. That's it.
Jaxon Turner
We know it's you, Smiley. Go away.
Henry Reyes
Yep. Even the things you can't remember.. Having God's forgiveness and protection will be needed over our whole lives.
Caleb Torres
No one would engineer their own suffering. We are forced to conclude that at best, God is in the business of rewriting history, or at worst, Christianity is a man-made philosophy.
Don't know who Smiley is.
Or else what? We will suffer?
Bentley Jenkins
lmao, I literally just read CS Lewis' answer to this in The Problem of Pain earlier today.
gutenberg.ca
Essentially, in order for a world filled with beings who have meaningful free will, they need to exist in a world where meaningful free choices are possible. In order for meaningful free choices to be possible, the beings must exist in a neutral environment that may be manipulated freely by any being, for example physical bodies that can be used for gesturing, speech, and sensation, as well as air to carry sound waves, and so on; essentially, what the beings need is a world full of matter that exists by consistent rules without regard for the preference or welfare of any being. This matter must be freely manipulable by any being; the wood you can use to make a support beam must also be usable as a club, otherwise it doesn't exist by consistent logical rules and the beings don't really have free will to any meaningful extent. God could, if he so chose, interfere in every case of humans abusing matter, but if he did this all the time then, taken to its logical extreme, this would mean that even the matter in your brain would refuse to form evil thoughts, which would, again, mean that you don't have free will to any meaningful extent. God cannot grant you free will while at the same time withholding free will from you even though he is fully autonomous and fully omnipotent, simply because boolean logic dictates that the premise of doing something while doing its exact opposite at the same time is complete and utter nonsense. It's like challenging an artist who claims he can draw anything to draw a square circle: it's not that the artist lacks the skill to draw a square circle, it's that a square circle absolutely cannot exist.
Alexander Harris
They would, if they had a more important priority in mind than the avoidance of their own suffering. You're anthropomorphizing God too much; why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipresent, ethereal God operate the way most humans would?