Four in five Vatican priests are gay, book claims Some of the most senior...

Kayden Wright
Kayden Wright

Four in five Vatican priests are gay, book claims

Some of the most senior clerics in the Roman Catholic church who have vociferously attacked homosexuality are themselves gay, according to a book to be published next week.

Eighty per cent of priests working at the Vatican are gay, although not necessarily sexually active, it is claimed in the book, In the Closet of the Vatican.

The 570-page book, which the French journalist and author Frédéric Martel spent four years researching, is a “startling account of corruption and hypocrisy at the heart of the Vatican”, according to its British publisher Bloomsbury.

It is being published in eight languages across 20 countries next Wednesday, coinciding with the opening day of a conference at the Vatican on sexual abuse, to which bishops from all over the world have been summoned.

Martel, a former adviser to the French government, conducted 1,500 interviews while researching the book, including with 41 cardinals, 52 bishops and monsignors, 45 papal ambassadors or diplomatic officials, 11 Swiss guards and more than 200 priests and seminarians, according to a report on the Catholic website the Tablet.

Many spoke of an unspoken code of the “closet”, with one rule of thumb being that the more homophobic a cleric was, the more likely he was to be gay.

Martel alleges that one Colombian cardinal, the late Alfonso López Trujillo, who held a senior Vatican position, was an arch-defender of church teaching on homosexuality and contraception while using male prostitutes, the Tablet said.

The author found that some gay priests accepted their sexuality and a few maintained discreet relationships, but others sought high-risk casual encounters. Some were in denial about their sexuality.

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Mason Myers
Mason Myers

Water is wet

Leo Murphy
Leo Murphy

Is it that obvious? I almost find that number unbelievable..and want to defend Catholics a bit (not one myself). 80% sounds absurd, but I'm curious how he arrived at the number.

David Bell
David Bell

Hellenistic pagan here, and christians DARE to say that pagans are gay.

Christians are the epitome of sodomy, tbh, secretive, all-men, butt-sex having gays.

Elijah Morgan
Elijah Morgan

conducted 1,500 interviews while researching the book, including with 41 cardinals, 52 bishops and monsignors, 45 papal ambassadors or diplomatic officials, 11 Swiss guards and more than 200 priests and seminarians.
Alright, that seems reasonable considering the population and demographics of Vatican City, but how do we arrive at the 4/5 number?
the more homophobic a cleric was, the more likely he was to be gay
OOOOH! That old gem.
If you hate gays, you are gay
Into the trash it goes.

Ian Foster
Ian Foster

book claims
no source aside from interviews with unnamed people
author is a fag himself
I'm not even Catholic, but wew lad.

Daniel Carter
Daniel Carter

Hellenistic pagan here
Considering you worship a god that had sex with several of his daughters, you're not really in a position to put down other religions.

Gabriel Ortiz
Gabriel Ortiz

tigger, the jew god literally rips Zeus off by impreganting Mary, who is of David's line, who is of Adam's line, who is made of God's image.

Also, Adam and Eve and their descendants reproduce via incest (Eve being his sister), there's literally nothing wrong with it.

Jaxon Gomez
Jaxon Gomez

He didn't merely "impregnate" her. He entered her womb. Jesus is God himself. And then left her virgin after.. because he's God. And can.

Tyler Davis
Tyler Davis

So Zeus didn't winnie the pooh his daughters because he's a god and can.

Camden Martin
Camden Martin

Zeus is just a god of lightning at best. And not even that.

Gabriel Wright
Gabriel Wright

Zeus is a faggot that committed sodomy with men. By extension you are a faggot for worshiping him. Zeus also raped his daughters. So by extension you are a faggot-rapist.

Don't keep trying to evade your ban, Charlie you faggot gook.

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Nathaniel Martin
Nathaniel Martin

<fruit
<using the "arachnophobic, huh? you must secretly want to [email protected]&# spiders." and "everyone is gay" memes as part of a study
Imagine my shock.
Some were in denial about their sexuality
If I went around San Francisco conducting a study on 4/5ths of the gay community being pedophiles, and noted that those who objected to that label are simply "in denial about their sexuality", Mr. Martel would throw a fit.

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Jayden King
Jayden King

Meant to say
conducting a study and concluded that 4/5ths of the gay community are pedophiles
Really though, homosexuals are unrepentant fornicators, perverts, and fetishists. I can understand why God sees them as an abomination.

Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

what you are pedophilephobic? I guess you secretly like to winnie the pooh children

Holy guacamole, I'd love to help you out with that study. Lots of fags out here in Chiraq that would kevetch at this.

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Xavier Carter
Xavier Carter

Zeus is the god of gods.
Zeus is not a faggot, he birth multiple heroes, faggot cannot do that.

So by extension you are a faggot-rapist.
My god is not a god who collects foreskins, no.

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

Your god collects fecal matter in his foreskin.

Brody Anderson
Brody Anderson

The winnie the pooh?

Jose Williams
Jose Williams

he doesn't even know his own false god's myths

You keep trying to not embarrass yourself and you fail spectacularly every time. Your idols are nothing. Your false god couldn't even get his own people to keep it's religion and now it's memory is kept alive by some dog-eating gook.

I don't even know if I should laugh at you or pity you, Charlie. Stop being a fag and repent already .

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Gavin Bailey
Gavin Bailey

Oh look at that winnie the pooher, he cuts a tree, how brave. I wonder what will he says when he tries that with a man.

Your idols are nothing.
They are living gods, your desert demon is literally an evil spirit.
Your false god couldn't even get his own people to keep it's religion and now it's memory is kept alive by some dog-eating gook.
LOL, people know of Zeus worldwide, in fact, it's arguable that your god stole Zeus's image.
Stop being a fag and repent already .
Actually, it's you who should repent for spending ANY years worshiping a foreign mass-murdering deity.

Christian Evans
Christian Evans

Four in five Vatican priests are gay, book claims
So, is the claim that this can be projected out to the entire cathbro clergy or do all the gay priests just coalesce in Rome?

I wouldn't doubt it.
Though Martel … he's the guy that misquoted Frank (pic related) to make him sound this way or that, right?

But, if it WERE true … shouldn't rates of HIV amongst clergy be astronomical?

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Landon Gomez
Landon Gomez

But, if it WERE true … shouldn't rates of HIV amongst clergy be astronomical?
Wouldn't surprise me.

Then again, only priests have sex with priests.

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

seriously? y r u here?
/zeus/ board off-line right now or something?

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Lincoln Campbell
Lincoln Campbell

(((god))) works in mysterious ways.

Owen Bailey
Owen Bailey

he doesn't even know his own false god's myths
Of course he doesn't. He's just a larping atheist.
7o 70136
mass-murdering
But all the people God told the Israelites to kill were Middle Eastern. Are you against sand tiggers being killed?

Juan Cox
Juan Cox

Of course he doesn't. He's just a larping atheist.
Proof?
But all the people God told the Israelites to kill were Middle Eastern. Are you against sand tiggers being killed?
Except all the first born egyptians, which also destroys the current egyptian regime.

Jace Ward
Jace Ward

That image

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Adrian Lewis
Adrian Lewis

the LARPagan that worships a literal faggot is butthurt that God exterminated faggots from the land
the same faggots that killed and raped children on a daily basis.
<God is a big meanie! Those sodomites dindu nuffin
wonders why we call him a faggot
Like poetry

but muh egpytian first borns
Which could have been avoided if pharaoh just obeyed God. Maybe if pharaoh hadn't killed the first born sons of Israeli families God wouldn't have to resort to humbling pharaoh with irony.

<proof im not just some edgy gaytheist?
The fact that you waste your time here instead of making sacrifices to your idols is proof enough that you are lukewarm in your own false faith.

Repent and stop embarrassing yourself, Charlie.

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Aaron Thomas
Aaron Thomas

the LARPagan that worships a literal faggot is butthurt that God exterminated faggots from the land
Where? Faggots are all over in Christian land, its highest concentration, the church.
the same faggots that killed and raped children on a daily basis.
My thought exactly, the Church is sinful!
<God is a big meanie! Those sodomites dindu nuffin
muh desert demon dindu nuffin
wonders why we call him a faggot
You are scared of Zeus and his lightning bolt frying your faggot ass in the days of the Titan.
Which could have been avoided if pharaoh just obeyed God.
The Pharaoh is God and he has no obligation to support a jewish demon of a slave race.
Maybe if pharaoh hadn't killed the first born sons of Israeli families God wouldn't have to resort to humbling pharaoh with irony.
Said child is prophesied to bring down the Pharaoh dynasty so it makes sense to do that, and lo and behold, said child does bring down the Egyptian dynasty.
The fact that you waste your time here instead of making sacrifices to your idols is proof enough that you are lukewarm in your own false faith.
Zeus ill needs of sacrifice unless there's favor of divination to be asked of him.

You can always eat and drink Jesus flesh & blood in your mass of course.

Elijah Richardson
Elijah Richardson

But pagans ARE gay by default. A gay Christian is a contradiction, that's why it's so taboo.

Ian Gomez
Ian Gomez

hating gays means ur gay
Francis is most straight guy ever! Based pope

Angel Scott
Angel Scott

Where did this pagans are gay come from?

Pagans actually bog and kill gays.

Christians put gays into church and say they are "cured".

Austin Martinez
Austin Martinez

Homosexuality was fundamental for ancient pagan myths. It is in the holy texts in other worlds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganymede_(mythology)
Modern pagans, regardless their political affiliation also promote homosexuality (pic related).
Christians put gays into church and say they are "cured"
The fact that in Christianity, in contrast to paganism, homosexuality is something that needs to be cured speak for itself.

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Connor Moore
Connor Moore

Ganymede was abducted by Zeus from Mount Ida, near Troy in Phrygia.[19] Ganymede had been tending sheep, a rustic or humble pursuit characteristic of a hero's boyhood before his privileged status is revealed. Zeus either summoned an eagle or turned into an eagle himself to transport the youth to Mount Olympus.
Where is the homo at?
Modern pagans, regardless their political affiliation also promote homosexuality (pic related).
Nice cherrypicking, there are shitton more gay christians.
The fact that in Christianity, in contrast to paganism, homosexuality is something that needs to be cured speak for itself.
Paganism just straight out kill gays instead of putting them into their holy temple and say they are "cured".

Easton Bell
Easton Bell

[Ganymedes] was the loveliest born of the race of mortals, and therefore
the gods caught him away to themselves, to be Zeus' wine-pourer,
for the sake of his beauty, so he might be among the immortals.
You know that wine-pourer is a polite way to say winnie the pooh toy right? Only women serve the men wine in ancient societies.
there are shitton more gay christians
I don't think so. But then again you'll hardly find any anti-LGBT pagan
Imagine if you took a census in one of the biggest pagan festivals, hardly anyone will be against sodomy
Paganism just straight out kill gays
Says who? The only pagan tradition that is alive today is totally pro-gay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(Indian_subcontinent)

Asher Johnson
Asher Johnson

Your joking right? Let me count the ways
-The greeks are infamous for their pedastry (man-boy sodomy) it was in their art.
-Zeus was a faggot that abducted and boinked Ganymede.
-Apollo was also lover to Macedonian Prince Hyakinthos.
-Best known as the Greek god of wine, Dionysus was also the god of intersex and transgender people.
-vikangz would sodomize people weaker than them as a show of dominance
-oogabooga tribes out in the south east asia tell their boys that drinking semen makes you a man
-Molochians (cannanites) were rabid faggots that tried to gang rape Lot in the book of Genesis.

I can go on and on.

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Samuel Rogers
Samuel Rogers

You know that wine-pourer is a polite way to say winnie the pooh toy right? Only women serve the men wine in ancient societies.
I believe that's wrong and we have prostitutes for that.
But then again you'll hardly find any anti-LGBT pagan
Most pagan are anti-gay, anti-tranny, anti-judaism, unless you count the liberal/degenerate new age cult wiccan.
Says who? The only pagan tradition that is alive today is totally pro-gay
What? Hellenism, Odinism are all alive, as well as Taoism, Buddhism, Shintoism in the east, none of them are "pro-gay".

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

-The greeks are infamous for their pedastry (man-boy sodomy) it was in their art.
Overstated and there's civil law against pedastry in Sparta and Athens.
-Zeus was a faggot that abducted and boinked Ganymede.
Zeus was a god, he can do whatever the winnie the pooh he wants.
-Apollo was also lover to Macedonian Prince Hyakinthos.
Same as above.
-Best known as the Greek god of wine, Dionysus was also the god of intersex and transgender people.
Again, made by bullshit by actual trannies in modern age.
-vikangz would sodomize people weaker than them as a show of dominance
Again, sound like total bullshit.
-oogabooga tribes out in the south east asia tell their boys that drinking semen makes you a man
Destroyed and rooted out by pagan chinks and vietnamese.
-Molochians (cannanites) were rabid faggots that tried to gang rape Lot in the book of Genesis.
Moloch cult does worse than that, and is pretty much universally agreed to be semitic evil cult even by other pagans (Roman).

Hudson Smith
Hudson Smith

I believe that's wrong and we have prostitutes for that
Male prostitution is a thing you know. But anyway you can't deny that the notion of transgenderism and 3rd gender is an entirely pagan idea. You know that Kybele priests were all trannies? And don't let me start with Japan and shinto, since you brought that up, and the male geishas. I can find countess of examples if you like.
Most pagan are anti-gay, anti-tranny, anti-judaism, unless you count the liberal/degenerate new age cult wiccan.
Liberals and wiccans take up 99% of modern pagans. You can't boast about the "return of paganism" in Europe on the one hand and then reject the majority of modern pagans on the others. And afaik, the only right wing pagan group are wolves of vinland (also pro-gay with gay members). Where's the anti-gay pagans?
What? Hellenism, Odinism are all alive, as well as Taoism, Buddhism, Shintoism in the east, none of them are "pro-gay"
Hellenism and Odinism were resurrected by New Agers in the 60's, they are not a native pagan tradition. But you said that you reject the New Age.
About shintoism, look at male geishas. Buddhism is hardly paganism and more like a philosophy.

James Sanders
James Sanders

Male prostitution is a thing you know.
And it is a service like all other.
But anyway you can't deny that the notion of transgenderism and 3rd gender is an entirely pagan idea.
The notion of gender at all is a anglo idea, we are counting sex and there are only 02, in ALL Pagan religions.
And don't let me start with Japan and shinto, since you brought that up, and the male geishas.
Geisha are not ALL prostitutes.
Liberals and wiccans take up 99% of modern pagans.
Wiccans are "neopagans" and have no tradition to be found upon, just random ass concept (Mother Goddess) and cult (muh feminist witches). We follow our ancestor gods.
And afaik, the only right wing pagan group are wolves of vinland (also pro-gay with gay members). Where's the anti-gay pagans?
We have Odinistic group, pagan community in Russia and Scandinavia, none of them are pro-gay (specifically).
Hellenism and Odinism were resurrected by New Agers in the 60's, they are not a native pagan tradition. But you said that you reject the New Age.
Hellenism and Odinism have always survived in Europe and passed over to America, it's a lie to say it's just reinvented in the 1960s.
Buddhism is hardly paganism and more like a philosophy.
Various sects of Buddhism does believe in godlike entities/deities like Kannon or Jinzo so yes it is paganism by Christian definition.

Evan Jenkins
Evan Jenkins

The notion of gender at all is a anglo idea, we are counting sex and there are only 02, in ALL Pagan religions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(Indian_subcontinent)
Also pic related, teleturgical self castration tools. Part of the worship of Magna Mater
Geisha are not ALL prostitutes
The males certainly were. Just take a look in Japanese art, it's not that they were hiding it.
And then we also have shudo. All these are accepted practises in Shinto
wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Shudo
Wiccans are "neopagans" and have no tradition to be found upon
Like all neopagans
We follow our ancestor gods
You probably follow what little info you can find about paganism in books writen by Christian monks. It's not like your father passed you on any pagan tradition. Ah and whatever nonsense Varg made out of his mond this week.
We have Odinistic group, pagan community in Russia and Scandinavia, none of them are pro-gay (specifically).
Maybe, but it's still a fringe minority in neopaganism.
Hellenism and Odinism have always survived in Europe and passed over to America
Do we have any examples of 16th century Odinists? Or Greek pagans (except for that one philosopher, i speak about communities)

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Austin Cooper
Austin Cooper

i don't believe him

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Xavier Young
Xavier Young

sweeping generalization
(((unnamed sources)))
if you hate gays u must be gay
Obvious slander is obvious.

Jack Torres
Jack Torres

he's a vietnamese pagan
for Zeus
on a Christian board
he does it for free
he takes his "religion" very seriously
he will never be Greek
he will never even have remote blood relationship to the Greeks
he will never partake of Zeus's golden showers
he will never have his ass ravaged by Zeus

Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

Most hijras live at the margins of society with very low status; the very word "hijra" is sometimes used in a derogatory manner. The Indian lawyer and author Rajesh Talwar has written a book, titled The Third Sex and Human Rights, highlighting the human rights abuses suffered by the community.[25] Few employment opportunities are available to hijras. Many get their income from extortion (forced payment by disrupting work/life using demonstrations and interference), performing at ceremonies (toli), begging (dheengna), or sex work ('raarha')—an occupation of eunuchs also recorded in premodern times. Violence against hijras, especially hijra sex workers, is often brutal, and occurs in public spaces, police stations, prisons, and their homes.[26] As with transgender people in most of the world, they face extreme discrimination in health, housing, education, employment, immigration, law, and any bureaucracy that is unable to place them into male or female gender categories.[27]
Sound like demented prostitutes of the lowest class.
The males certainly were. Just take a look in Japanese art, it's not that they were hiding it.
And then we also have shudo. All these are accepted practises in Shinto
NOT widespread and again, only as a demented fetish.
You probably follow what little info you can find about paganism in books writen by Christian monks. It's not like your father passed you on any pagan tradition. Ah and whatever nonsense Varg made out of his mond this week.
You mean pagans who disguise themselves as christian monks in order to preserve their ancient faith, or would like to burn all these books?
Maybe, but it's still a fringe minority in neopaganism.
We are pagans, not (((neopagan))).
Do we have any examples of 16th century Odinists? Or Greek pagans (except for that one philosopher, i speak about communities)
16th century was the era of the Christian wars in Europe, I don't think you can find any outright pagan community because they fear judeo-christians oppression.
Why are christians so winnie the pooh gay?

Juan Bennett
Juan Bennett

You mean pagans who disguise themselves as christian monks in order to preserve their ancient faith, or would like to burn all these books?

I wish I could look into your head to watch the surrealsitic movie-worthy delusion you have created to justify your plastic LARPing "paganism" that has nothing to do with the extinct paganism.

Evan Gomez
Evan Gomez

So extinct that they are actually recorded and worshiped.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church and Orthodox are literally LARPing to get money and converts.

Brody Ramirez
Brody Ramirez

Forget to add, while the protestant church whores themselves out.

Meanwhile the internet christians post crusader memes and shout DEUS VULT (Deus = Zeus) behind the scene.

Yet the christians have the balls to call pagans "LARPing".

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

pagans who disguise themselves as christian monks in order to preserve their ancient faith, or would like to burn all these books?
Such as?

Jayden Scott
Jayden Scott

What is recorded are the practices that have nothing to do with what is done today, and which were required by the nature of the "gods" (lol).

You worship gods as much as I worship ice cream when I comment how tasty it is.

Ryder Adams
Ryder Adams

Jacob Grimm and Lorri Sturlurson. Bill Shakespeare.
What is recorded are the practices that have nothing to do with what is done today, and which were required by the nature of the "gods" (lol).
No they aren't, unlike semitic religion, rituals do not make you a worshiper, having a bloodline does.
You worship gods as much as I worship ice cream when I comment how tasty it is.
I don't think you understand the word "worship".

Lucas Perry
Lucas Perry

You dont understand neither what worship is, nor what divinity is, nor what paganism is. Go study some basic theology before you start talking again about how the gods flow through your veins.

Semitic religion
Hue

Tyler Bennett
Tyler Bennett

theology
What? And read about your 03 semitic cult? Buddhism, shintoism, taoism do not follow your money whoring rules.

And no, divinity is godhood, which Zeus belongs to, and the greeks are children of Zeus.

Luis Thomas
Luis Thomas

Those religions either have more in common with Christianity seriously, or are a theological failure, which is why their own adherents don't take them seriously beyond some cultural curiosity. There is no apologist from any of those even trying to argue against christians in debates or similar arguments. And it's better for them that way, because the ridicule would be amazing. Their fundamentals were already destroyed with arguments 2000 years ago, which is why they are touristic attractions.

divinity is godhood
Wow how smart you are. Precisely I am saying you have no idea what godhood is. Protip: it is not being the object of made up stories about some man, nor being old, nor being some random person's ancestor.

Even you admited that you worshipped just whoever was more or less high in whatever family tree. What you call worship is just "holding dear in memory".

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

rituals do not make you a worshiper, having a bloodline does.
<Be a Greek. Bloodline of Zeus
<Practicing Member of the Orthodox Christian Church.
<Doesn't recognize that Zeus ever even existed at all much less that he was a God. Instead recognizes Jesus Christ as God.
Somehow a worshipper of Zeus since blood is all that matters
<Be Charlie
<Vietnamese sinposter with pure gook blood
<valiantly combats the evil x-tians on Zig Forums in the name of Zeus
Unfortunately, he has no bloodline to Zeus, and can never be a true worshipper since blood is all that matters

Carson Ward
Carson Ward

Sound like demented prostitutes of the lowest class.
Who justify their faggotry by the authority of paganism and pagan myths. They are social outcasts only because humans deep inside know that pagan teachings are wrong.
NOT widespread and again, only as a demented fetish
Justified under the authority of paganism again. This time shinto
"Shinto gods, especially Hachiman, Myoshin, Shinmei and Tenjin, "came to be seen as guardian deities of nanshoku" (male–male love)"
You mean pagans who disguise themselves as christian monks in order to preserve their ancient faith
Citation needed

Evan Bailey
Evan Bailey

Isn't this common knowledge already? What's the problem?

Brayden Carter
Brayden Carter

/thread
People on Zig Forums will listen to and follow a gay man just to attack the Church with confirmation bias.
What happened to this place?

Ryan Lopez
Ryan Lopez

While I'm convinced that a good portion of clerics in the vatican are sodomites, I'm skeptical of the 4/5 number.
Also, the fact that the journalist is implying that preaching against sodomy means the person is a sodomite is laughable although not improbable, certain individuals have been proven to have done so.
I think a more reasonable number would be around 1/4 or even 1/5.
So my RC neighbors, while the "study" may be an exaggeration, there are still sodomites in your ranks that need to be cleared out posthaste.

The Third Conclusion, sorrowful to hear, is: That the law of continence annexed to priesthood, that in prejudice of women was first ordained, induces sodomy in Holy Church; but we excuse us by the Bible, for the suspect decree that says we should not name it. Reason and experience prove this conclusion. For delicious meats and drinks of men of Holy Church will have needful purgation or worse. Experience for the privy assay of such men is that they like not women. The corollary of this conclusion is that the private religions. beginners of this sin, were most worthy to be annulled but God, for his might, of privy sin send open vengeance.

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Jaxon Brown
Jaxon Brown

And these retarda publish books?
Damn in the middle ages 100% of catholics were gay.

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

The Pharaoh is God and he has no obligation to support a jewish demon of a slave race.
Yet there was a time the pharaoh didn't exist and now he is dust like everyone who died.
What a great god.
He didn't even created existence.
Btw you're larping to the max.

Henry Barnes
Henry Barnes

That the law of continence annexed to priesthood, that in prejudice of women was first ordained, induces sodomy in Holy Church
How come? If someone likes girls we will never like to winnie the pooh dudes.
Even if a priest can't hold his libido (why becoming one I wonder) all he needs to do is take off the collar and go to the nearest whore house or pick up chicks at some random pub.
That's the propaganda the media are spreading trying to end celibacy on the Latin church.

Aaron Kelly
Aaron Kelly

Saved

These images are especially cathartic.

Grayson Allen
Grayson Allen

Those religions either have more in common with Christianity seriously, or are a theological failure, which is why their own adherents don't take them seriously beyond some cultural curiosity.
Explain taking them seriously.
Buddhists/Taoist/Pagan can reach spiritual enlightenment/close connection to their ancestor gods without ever going to the Church or donate money to the Church, or do you think donating money and saying I believe in Christ means you are taking it seriously?
Protip: it is not being the object of made up stories about some man, nor being old, nor being some random person's ancestor
Godhood is defined by a person's deed, various roman emperors and egyptian pharaoh are gods and deservedly so.
Even you admited that you worshipped just whoever was more or less high in whatever family tree. What you call worship is just "holding dear in memory".
Worship is exactly that.

You mistake worship for SUBMITTING. winnie the pooh semitic faggot.

Dylan Reed
Dylan Reed

Well, it's true and I admit that, only greeks can worship Zeus.
Who justify their faggotry by the authority of paganism and pagan myths.
They justify their faggotry by tradition, which is pretty much how the Catholic church does it, except they are treated like shit, unlike the Catholic clerge.
"Shinto gods, especially Hachiman, Myoshin, Shinmei and Tenjin, "came to be seen as guardian deities of nanshoku" (male–male love)"
Quote the whole thing:
Nanshoku relationships inside monasteries were typically pederastic: an age-structured relationship where the younger partner is not considered an adult. The older partner, or nenja (念者, "lover" or "admirer"), would be a monk, priest or abbot, while the younger partner was assumed to be an acolyte (稚児 chigo), who would be a prepubescent or adolescent boy;[5] the relationship would be dissolved once the boy reached adulthood (or left the monastery). Both parties were encouraged to treat the relationship seriously and conduct the affair honorably, and the nenja might be required to write a formal vow of fidelity. Outside of the monasteries, monks were considered to have a particular predilection for male prostitutes, which was the subject of much ribald humor.[6]
Yes, you are supposed to grow out of it, and you will still winnie the pooh and marry women afterward.
Citation needed
That's half the reason why paganism survived.
Yet there was a time the pharaoh didn't exist and now he is dust like everyone who died.
tigger, your "god" has not even form it's fire without smoke, and nobody can prove its existence.
What a great god.
He existed.
He didn't even created existence.
Yes he did, his paternal Great Father, Ra, created the universe.

Grayson Richardson
Grayson Richardson

Explain taking them seriously.
They don't really believe in anything beyond following some fancy customs. They don't seek the truth, they are not interested in God. There are no missions, nor theological tradition, nor apologists, etc.

Godhood is defined by a person's deed, various roman emperors and egyptian pharaoh are gods and deservedly so.
No, that is called being a celebrity, a mundane thing

Worship is exactly that.
No, that is calling hilding dear in memory, a mundane thing.

You mistake worship for SUBMITTING. winnie the pooh semitic faggot.
I just refer to actual worship when I say worship. Only God, the actual God, deserves worship. This is basic theology, so it is not surprising that LARPagans do not even reach that point.

your "god" has not even form
What does that mean? That you can't touch some kind of "God" particle? Thatyou can't see light reflecting on God? Please, don't make me laugh. I can't see Zeus either by the way.

nobody can prove its existence
Many people have done so. Aquinas, for example.

He existed.
I exist too. I have a more virtuous life than your incestuous zoophilic "gods", so I expect you to worhip me.

Alexander Cruz
Alexander Cruz

They don't really believe in anything beyond following some fancy customs.
No, that's the catholic clergy. There are some corrupted as winnie the pooh buddhist monks and taoist priests but nothing compare to the extravaganza of the christian priests who openly winnie the pooh, openly eat meat and commit sins while saying they believe in god.
They don't seek the truth, they are not interested in God.
They already know the truth, Christian impose their God on other people and call it truth, delusional.
There are no missions, nor theological tradition, nor apologists, etc.
Those do not make a religion make, when your religion is about converting other people, it becomes a political entity.
No, that is called being a celebrity, a mundane thing
Nope, someone's deeds are not a mundane things, especially if they win wars, create kingdoms and protect their people. Or in some case reach enlightenment.
I just refer to actual worship when I say worship.
And I too, but you do not worship, you submit, like the semitic cuckold you are.
Only God, the actual God, deserves worship.
Why? Because some jews told you so? Nope.
What does that mean?
That your god is a demon without form, smoke without fire, an unnatural existence.
I can't see Zeus either by the way.
You can see his lightning bolt.
Many people have done so. Aquinas, for example.
Then you can do so?
I exist too. I have a more virtuous life than your incestuous zoophilic "gods", so I expect you to worhip me.
What kingdom have you created?

Thomas Ortiz
Thomas Ortiz

No, that's the catholic clergy
It's the contrary, you can see endless writtings, apologetics and missions from christian priests, in which you, in your fedora madness, think are only catholic. While in the other religions you can only see a couple retards paying pretend, with no actual conviction, no real interest in God beyond "energies n' stuff lmao".

openly eat meat
Ah, I guess they should only eat soy like you

and commit sins while saying they believe in god
It is almost as if humans sinned and were not perfect.

They already know the truth, Christian impose their God on other people and call it truth, delusional.
It was the contrary. Christians were persecuted by the jews and strongly by the pagans, who wanted to force them to pay tribute to their gods.

Those do not make a religion make, when your religion is about converting other people, it becomes a political entity.
Can you tell us what drugs leads you to say this? Any religion that takes itself seriously will do its best to share what it claims to be the truth. Whoever doesn't try to convert others has no actual convictions.

Cooper Davis
Cooper Davis

It's the contrary, you can see endless writtings, apologetics and missions from christian priests, in which you, in your fedora madness, think are only catholic.
So brainwashing conversion is "believing in something"? I disagree. They are paid to do so.
Ah, I guess they should only eat soy like you
I eat meat mostly but I'm no priest or monk
It is almost as if humans sinned and were not perfect.
Humans should redempt their actual sins and work to better the world instead of "submitting to god".
It was the contrary. Christians were persecuted by the jews and strongly by the pagans, who wanted to force them to pay tribute to their gods.
On the contrary, jews convert to Christianity and infest the Church while they jail pagans for simply for having a goddess statue.
Can you tell us what drugs leads you to say this?
No drug at all but an actual understanding of religion, which is about worship of gods, NOT actually converting people.
Any religion that takes itself seriously will do its best to share what it claims to be the truth. Whoever doesn't try to convert others has no actual convictions.
This is why Christianity is a fake religion, it's meant to spread, and nobody have actual belief.

Isaac Stewart
Isaac Stewart

Nope, someone's deeds are not a mundane things
They are a mundane thing. They are just petty celebrities. Some days ago I finished painting a great miniature. I guess I'm a "god" now. It iseems it is you who considers a god any important politician.

And I too, but you do not worship, you submit, like the semitic cuckold you are.
I submit to God, like anyone who has a basic knowledge about theology.

Why? Because some jews told you so? Nope.
Because worship is the only eternal, perfect, omnipotent thing there is, and as such is the only object of worship, not some glorified politician or soldier.

That your god is a demon without form, smoke without fire, an unnatural existence.
Your materialistic understanding of divinity is kind of pathetic

Then you can do so?
I can link you to Aquinas' argument or huge corpus of theological writtings, along with the other many Christian fathers of the Churhc and doctors, who wrote at length debunking your bagan silliness which is dead by now.

What kingdom have you created?
Well, the kingdom of not being an incestuous zoophilic retard to begin with. I would also like to know what kingdom was created by, for example, the philosophers and governors who were considered gods and therefore had their own temples.

So brainwashing conversion is "believing in something"? I disagree. They are paid to do so.
Oh yes? Who paid the apostles, who refused money and went to terrible deaths for their preaching? This is the difference between the now extinct pagans and christians: ones convictions led them to terrible deaths for what they saw. The others got a bunch of orgies out of some theatre.

Humans should redempt their actual sins and work to better the world instead of "submitting to god".
Humans are in no position to redeem their sins, because no matter what they do they aren't good, they sin. You can't buy "goodness", nor do you deserve it. That is a delusion of pride.

On the contrary, jews convert to Christianity and infest the Church while they jail pagans for simply for having a goddess statue.
The first things jews do when they convert is to denounce jews, as you can see in the many writtings of the earlies Church fathers. However the pagans were allies of the jews. It is by the order of the jews that the pagans murdered Christ. They also were great allies of Julian the apostate. Overall, they shared their hatred towards Christ and therefore Christianity.

Pagans burned christians alive, or threw them to the beasts of the barbaric circus, or nailed them to crosses, or murdered them in endless ways for not worshipping their gods, that is, for not performing what you, in your ignorance, call "mere rituals". Well, it turns out the actual pagans killed those who refused to partake in those "mere rituals".

but an actual understanding of religion
Yes, an actual understanding of religion as some kind of celebrity cult that brags about not having the slighest idea about theology.

This is why Christianity is a fake religion, it's meant to spread, and nobody have actual belief.
Any actual religion is meant to spread, because it has an actual belief in something important, unlike some decrepit celebrities, half of them fictional people from old theatres.

Julian Morgan
Julian Morgan

They justify their faggotry by tradition
No, they justify it by paganism.
Shiva (or insert pagan deity here ___) was androgynous ==> tranny priests.
Random godess castrated someone ===> tranny priests
Same with modern pagans. Mother Godess worship ==> faggotry, pederasty, feminist, soyboyism, drugs etc.
Honestly, paganism is just a way to justify your passions and sins. Some just call it "being free"
pretty much how the Catholic church does it
Catholics don't justify it. The ones who are doing such things are hiding it exactly because it isn't compatible with Christianity, unlike paganism which is the norm as we already saw. Be honest if you want to talk.
Nanshoku relationships inside monasteries were typically pederastic: an age-structured relationship where the younger partner is not considered an adult
Exactly like in ancient Greece. If it doesn't look like a man, then it's not a man. Also exactly like modern paganism and liberalism, if you wear woman clothes you are a woman etc.
I.e: the practises that Christianity put an end to (and modern pagans are trying to bring back)
That's half the reason why paganism survived
Again, sitation needed.

Colton Johnson
Colton Johnson

They are a mundane thing. They are just petty celebrities.
Yeah, creating a kingdom, protecting your kingdom, defending your people, just petty acts. Please.
I submit to God, like anyone who has a basic knowledge about theology.
So again, submission, not worshiping.
Because worship is the only eternal, perfect, omnipotent thing there is,
Wrong, there's no requirement that you need to worship only the eternal and perfect, Hephaestus/Vulcan was lame yet he's still worshiped.
Your materialistic understanding of divinity is kind of pathetic
Divinity without form, that is a daemon i.e. evil spirit.
I can link you to Aquinas' argument or huge corpus of theological writtings,
Then do so? I dare you.
Well, the kingdom of not being an incestuous zoophilic retard to begin with.
Where is said kingdom? Hmm? And be honest, have you created it?
Oh yes? Who paid the apostles, who refused money and went to terrible deaths for their preaching?
Brainwashed cuckolds.
ones convictions led them to terrible deaths for what they saw.
Their conviction is evil act, trying to convert and brainwash other people, which deservedly deserve death.
Humans are in no position to redeem their sins
Disagree. If he can sin, he can redeem their sin.
The first things jews do when they convert is to denounce jews, as you can see in the many writtings of the earlies Church fathers.
And they lie. Jews denounce jews, yet they still are jews, this is why Christianity is a fake religion, it challenges truth.
However the pagans were allies of the jews. It is by the order of the jews that the pagans murdered Christ.
Christ was a heretical criminal of the jewish sect, the romans just do the act, as the jewish community wants to. The romans should have killed massacred both Jesus and jews tbh.
Pagans burned christians alive,
Christians do the same, christians jail and kill pagans, burn their books, destroy their temple, force them to accept foreigners into their country as "christian brethern".
Yes, an actual understanding of religion as some kind of celebrity cult that brags about not having the slighest idea about theology.
LOL, it's not me who tries to convert people into believing YOUR celebrity cult.
Any actual religion is meant to spread, because it has an actual belief in something important, unlike some decrepit celebrities, half of them fictional people from old theatres.
Wrong a religion is confined by border and people. No tigger can be shinto, no tigger can be odinist. What you are describing is a political entity masking as a religion.

Zachary Rodriguez
Zachary Rodriguez

Shiva (or insert pagan deity here ___) was androgynous ==> tranny priests.
Shiva priests or Shiva warriors were not tranny.
Random godess castrated someone ===> tranny priests
Also treated as the lowest of the low due to the loss of manhood.
Same with modern pagans. Mother Godess worship ==> faggotry, pederasty, feminist, soyboyism, drugs etc.
Just like modern christians, am I right?
Catholics don't justify it. The ones who are doing such things are hiding it exactly because it isn't compatible with Christianity, unlike paganism which is the norm as we already saw. Be honest if you want to talk.
Hiding in plain sight is worse than being frank and honest, and no, faggotry is not the mainstream in ANY pagan culture.
Exactly like in ancient Greece. If it doesn't look like a man, then it's not a man.
Ancient Greece doesn't say a boy is not a male, but a boy is not a man regardless due to his age.
Also exactly like modern paganism and liberalism, if you wear woman clothes you are a woman etc.
No man and woman under Jesus Christ.
I.e: the practises that Christianity put an end to (and modern pagans are trying to bring back)
Modern pagans are less gay than christians.
Again, sitation needed.
Beowulf.

Camden Wilson
Camden Wilson

Shiva priests or Shiva warriors were not tranny
Hijras are, stop playing hide and seek
Also treated as the lowest of the low due to the loss of manhood
Or becoming Cybele's tranny priests. Unless if you have no respect for your religious authorities (and in reality, people actually didn't).
Just like modern christians, am I right?
No, all the above are considered sins in Christianity. With some being grave sins. Unlike paganism where they are justified by myths of Gods doing the same things.
Hiding in plain sight is worse than being frank and honest, and no, faggotry is not the mainstream in ANY pagan culture.
Hiding means you're ashamed and also that what you're doing contradicts your what you believe. Unlike in paganism again where there nothing to be ashamed of because your Gods did worse.
Ancient Greece doesn't say a boy is not a male, but a boy is not a man regardless due to his age.
And thus it can become a fcktoy. Like in Buddhism and Shinto and literally in every pagan society ever.
No man and woman under Jesus Christ
Don't play with the words, no man or woman under Christ means that you're both equally Gods creation and you'll be judged the same after death. Not that a man can take the role of a woman and the opposite which is strictly forbidden (again, unlike in paganism where Gods take the role of women all the time)
Modern pagans are less gay than christians
doubt
Beowulf
Beowulf was a pagan that pretend to be a Christian monk so that he could write down and preserve the pagan literature? Man the more you speak the more i think you have no idea about neither Christianity nor paganism and also about history whatsoever.

Julian Turner
Julian Turner

Hijras are, stop playing hide and seek
They were NOT priests of Shiva, they used Shiva merging with Parvati as an excuse, when it has jackshit to do with that.
Or becoming Cybele's tranny priests. Unless if you have no respect for your religious authorities (and in reality, people actually didn't).
Cybele is a foreign god, and the people did not respect their self-castrated priests, and Augustus employed a dick-having man as the high priest of that cult.
No, all the above are considered sins in Christianity. With some being grave sins. Unlike paganism where they are justified by myths of Gods doing the same things.
Where is the punishment for these sins? Pagans actually kill gays, and muslims. While modern christians protect them. Also, find me one pagan god who prances around like a faggot like the lesbian bishop in Sweden.
Hiding means you're ashamed and also that what you're doing contradicts your what you believe.
So you approve of crimes in secret? Wow. And no, while I detest homo, an open homo is easier to kill than a secret homo.
And thus it can become a fcktoy. Like in Buddhism and Shinto and literally in every pagan society ever.
It's not a winnie the poohtoy, you are projecting your sick catholic clergy sins into heathenry. All of the "homo" pagans end up having families and birthing children.
Don't play with the words, no man or woman under Christ means that you're both equally Gods creation and you'll be judged the same after death.
But we are not born equally, man is not equal to woman and vice versa, no man and woman under Jesus Christ is a denial of reality.
doubt
Pagan Japan still has less gay than most christian countries.
Beowulf was a pagan that pretend to be a Christian monk so that he could write down and preserve the pagan literature?
Beowulf was a direct example of pagan literature surviving because a disguised pagan tried to christianize it and let it live instead of letting christians burn it down.

Sebastian Morris
Sebastian Morris

a Vietnamese pagan
Nani?

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