Conditions for being a Pope

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Repent of what? That I want to proclaim Christ as the one and only Lord over all? That I don't want heathen idols in his churches?

I'm willing to listen, but you guys need better pastoral methods than just threats. You're basically telling people to "repent" by jumping into a fire full of indifferentism and pluralism, where Christ is merely one among many. This isn't "repenting".

It'd be different if your church promoted Christ alone and wasn't so apostate at the highest levels… then people may very well convert to it. But this isn't it. Whatever fantasy church you have in your head isn't the reality.

And I don't doubt that there are segments of Catholicism that don't fall into this. But then you still expect people to repent, where they'd have to traipse about hundreds of miles to even find one of these special places. The more likely scenario for average people is all they have is these official churches.. in which case, you're just showing how careless you are that you'd thrust innocent Christians inside of them, with little to fall back on.

I thought a non-Catholic can't be a pope. How on earth can a non-Catholic apostate be a pope. Nothing else makes sense if you tell me that a non Cathoilc can be pope.

And wait you're a prot why are you even on this thread :O

No this is nonsense. Just cause technically that's supposed to be the case doesn't mean Natural Law is obvious. If that were the case there would be no debate about natural law, it would all be obvious to everyone, but it clearly isn't. Many people feel like contraception isn't against natural law, but the church says it is. In the end you have to use your own judgement. But then what about hurrdurr you're your own magisterium. Guess what, for literally everything you have to make your own judgements, including if you even believe Catholicism or whatnot.

If the pope openly says I never believed in this BS religion, Jesus is fake worship Buddha, are you still going to tell me that dude is pope and he can make ex cathedra statements? Good luck convincing people of that, no one will listen to you. But oh what, who can judge the Pope! We cannot judge him for heresy. See how stupid this argument is? People will say oh no oh no well that is obviously clear, so you can go with that. Then the question becomes, what is "obvious". Again you have to judge by yourself.

By my judgement I could easily say it's more than obvious that certain Popes were open apostates and did not believe in the faith at all. People rail on sedes saying ohhh you can't judge the Pope, but literally who on earth is still going to follow a Pope who openly and plainly says they have never believed in the faith they don't believe in the faith and to worship rocks. You are still gonna sit there and tell me oh no he is still pope, and then this Pope goes and says I'm electing another Pope directly after me, and that dude also says they don't even believe in God but believe in marshmallows and to worship marshmallows. You really gonna tell me that Pope Marshmallow is the legit pope and we can't judge him either? Give me a break, no one will believe you.

So it all comes down to what you consider "obvious" apostasy. So the argument against sedes saying you can't judge a pope is utter nonsense. You have to literally judge every pope yourself - just like you have to judge the claim of every religion yourself as well. We are literally told to judge every spirit.

The catholic encyclopedia, even the old one (I'm sure you have never read the 2006 one but I have it in PDF) is full of modernist trash. But on another note, so who is to judge then what is what? Who tells me what the right interpretation of things are? Literally no one can tell you cause I can ask a bishop and he can tell me no this is the wrong interpretation etc (Like those German Bishops). You have to be the judge of everything, the sede argument saying they can't judge a pope is stupid.

The fact that the Church is in crisis today should be considered an honor for the faithful, to stay and fight the modernist heresies and carry their cross even if they don't like the way it has become. There have been abuses before that have come and gone, and there will be more.

Unless you were born out of Catholicism, maybe you should strongly consider why you're willing to -under any condition- separate from the only Church that Christ explicitely instituted.

Mark 4:

No matter how violent the storm is, Christ is with you in the boat, as He promised. Don't jump off the boat just because you fear the storm.

No one is saying to leave the church. It's a question of what is the actual church. In short I don't care what anyone says, if a pope comes out and says that he solemnly swears he never believed in Jesus and always worshipped a Pumpkin, that dude is not the pope and could never have been pope. Based on the anti sede logic, you can't judge the pope. Blah blah if a pope says that only papolators will still stay in the holy Catholic pumpkin church. Just saying the sede argument isn't that wacky as I thought it was.

I wouldn't be shocked if I find out Paul VI and forward were not believers. I

Having said that I find sedes like Most Holy Family as kinda wacky but maybe I shouldn't be so harsh considering what happened to the church. I don't really get why SSPX aren't sedes though. They reject the real bad parts of VII and doubt canonizations which are the biggest problems. Would it really surprise people of Bergoglio was a non believer or a Mason? Seriously would any half smart person be shocked if he was a Mason?

I mean sorry what did I mean by "bad parts" or VII. Literally nothing is good in VII it's either totally unnecessary or just terrible. I'm fairly certain VII was created maliciously. The canonizations are wack. We have to assume that they hated the church and had a deathbed conversion. A still no one that the church should publicly venerate. JPII destroyed the rosary openly proclaimed heresy and so on.

Saint John Paul II hated the rosary so much, that he prayed the 15 decades everyday while wearing his hair shirt.