Can music be degenerate?

That's made even funnier because a lot of thought on the subject has found that the human heart beat is more in 3/4 or 6/8 time than 4/4.

This is nonsense. Actually all four founders of the four sunni madhabs (fiqh, schools of jurisprudence) all said that musical instruments are prohibited (except the daf). Modern people play music but that's just cause muslims pick and choose and are a fake nonsense religion anyways and most people like music so they go wah wah it's okay we don't know. When literally the founders of each of the four schools of jurispredence all say that music is banned, there's no real argument. To say that in islam that music is fine is nonsense. Correctly speaking, the majority of actual scholars, not some youtube idiot, will say that music is banned.

Lol. You almost got me to do some Islamic apologetics. Than I remembered that I don't care enough to actually do it.
You can argue about music back in >>>/islam/

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Richard Wagner is degenerate for example.

Yes

Why?

His name is literally Dick Wagner, you really expect some one named Dick to not be degenerate?

Exaltation of the sexual passions, disorder. He was a key activist for the sexual revolution, especially with his work on "Tristan and Iseut".
His pieces attracted a lot of women and homosexuals. He does also think that it has corrupted Nietzsche's mind, and thus he did a pact with the devil to self-contract syphilis in order to be fully committed to the sexual revolution.
E. Michael Jones speaks about that quite well here.
Moreover, Wagner was some kind of ressurection of the Pagan Spirit, that's why Hitler loved it too…It's anti-christian in essence.

Here is Wagner's piece of Tristan and Iseult…Listen the first 5 minutes, and then some random parts here and there (it's a long piece).
You can musically sense that this piece does NOT promote Order,family, Sexual Restrain, Control of the Appatite with the use of reason and the moral law…No, all the inverse. In some sense, it kind of represent this world now.
I hope you read "Tristan and Iseult" but if you didn't, it's about sexual liberation, it's a classical piece.

Funny how I was reading a Tolstoy's piece on Wagner and he makes pretty much similar accusations, even if more as seeing his work as an insult to real art (which is still, in the author's words, the supreme form to transmit values linked to one's culture and religion).

You are right. I am in the hope of sharing this video to EMJ about this video game ending credit…because I do think that he promotes the contrary to this wagner piece, that it promotes Order, Family , Procreation (you can see in the scene, the high point of the sound is where a heart appears in this ice mansions, and if you play the game, it's a very friendly Yeti couple who loves each other very much, and thus it's implied that the high point of this piece glorify procreation and family, even if it's obviously not explicit in the game).
Listening to this Japanese video game piece, I can feel being Ordered, being encouraged of being moral and humble, of being a true lover of a wife and to be fruitful and procreate. And I feel the logos of God in this song, I sense his glory.
I know it might be pretencious, and I might be biased becaue it happens to be one of my favorite video games, but just listen (and watch at the same time, they are co-dependant) and tell me what you think of it.
It's ENDING SPOILER for "The Legend Of Zelda : Twilight Princess" but if you do not care, just watch it.

Interesting point! I find Japanese understanding of certain topics a bit lacking, but when they hit the mark they hit hard.

Yes, they have some understanding of Logos, that's sure.
Here is from the beginning of the same game, you can see the meeting between Link and that girl is ordered, and it's not a music like the on with Wagner.
Here between 6:25-7:00
youtube.com/watch?v=idw0UNrM8LA&feature=youtu.be
The cutscene is a little short, so the music does not play in full but here is the full version in embded.

Thanks! I like the use of the guitar as an opener…guitars always feel so relaxing when played like this. Also…kinda reminds me of Baroque music a bit; very nice!

Welcome home, brother. May I ask what made you convert?

Just my two-cents as a music enthusiast (not /mu/, and inb4 got blasted by /mu/tants) though. If everything is to glorify God, then music is no exception; but I do not think it is all hymns and psalms. For example: When you play and sing a song about love, not unfettered wild passions most mistake it as but true love in a wholesome and Godly way; it can be a ballad, pop, power pop, or anything. Your message and what is in the heart matters most.

About genres. Many can argue about this until the End Time come. But I think punk, metal, thrash, and their likes are ill-fits. The essence, the ethos of punk is a middle finger to all laws, becoming unfettered. Metal is the same, its ethos being anti-establishment and loud protest and evocation of wild emotions. Rock is a toss-up whether it veers into its cousin metal or softer cousin pop more.

As for instruments. Believe it or not, electric guitar can be very gentle and soothing with proper techniques and passions. Instruments are just tools so there should be no limits as for them.

That's really interesting because I remember reading about how supposedly, Wagner was an anti-semite.

Tell me, how does one reconcile Wagner's anti-semitism with Wagner's supposedly fighting for the sexual revolution? If Wagner's values really are what they appear to be then he should've been close friends with them, not enemies.

My previous post was poorly written but just in case it wasn't clear:
"them" refers to the Jews.

What do you think of Wagner's Siegfriend Idyll? Wagner didn't approve of it because it wasn't an Opera with Opera being the culmination of all the arts into one but nonetheless, I quite like it. Please listen to it. I think, since it's not as developed as his Operas, it might not strive in those usual directions and thus, be acceptable/non-degenerate.

I really don't see why it would be unless they evoke sinful thoughts. Songs with dirty lyrics are obvious, but those without lyrics can go either way I think.

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If I recall correctly, in the old days, people used to believe that the tritone interval was demonic due to how bad it sounded. Using that as a measuring stick then, Impressionism (especially Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun) and everything that came after is to be avoided.

Meanwhile, I believe Glenn Gould said once that all of Bach's music was dedicated to praising God.

oh God ;-;

Just in case someone returns to this thread, I just want to clarify:

This post is poorly written.
And even then, it's still incorrect. If you watch the video this poster has posted, nobody made a contract with the devil. That's not what was said. What was said about Nietzsche is that he, and I quote, "in a sort of demonic consecration", went out and deliberately contracted syphilis in order to dedicate himself to the sexual revolution.