Lol no one ever provides an argument about why they assume the SSPX is in "schism". When in their History did they leave the Church?
Always Remember
Carson Lopez
Alexander Mitchell
gloria.tv
This is now an Archbishop Lefebvre appreciation thread. Lefebvre contra mundum. The modern day St Athanasius who like St Athanasius preserved the Catholic faith and tradition in the face of corrupt bishops, cardinals and Popes who sought to invent a new faith. Like St Athanasius disobeyed his superiors out of necessity of preserving the faith and operated in other bishops jurisdictions using supplied jurisdiction and was wrongfully invalidly excommunicated by a Pope.
If you like or go to the old rite mass, then you owe + Lefebvre a debt of gratitude for if he had not disobeyed the unjust commands to renege on sacred tradition then there would be no old rite anymore, only novus ordo.
+Lefebvre will be canonised as a saint. +Lefebvre ora pro nobis.
Chase Peterson
To all those saying the EOC is in schism, answer me this, would you refuse to commune with an EOC priest? Would you refuse to commune with a lay person who attends EOC masses? If you would refuse then that means YOU are the schismatic.
And yes I refuse communion with both the EOC and the SSPX unless Rome says otherwise.
I don't do any of that so there goes your ad hominem down the toilet.
Nothing personal JPII.
30 June 1988 was the day your founder and friends left the church.
The lack of charity is what characterises a schismatic.
But let's get this over with.
Is the SSPX in schism? If not then you accept the council of Vatican II entirely and recognise as legitimate every pope since St. John XIII. Do you accept this? Well excellent my friend. What's taking the society so long to issue an official declaration?
If not you guys are in schism unless during the ongoing negotiations with Rome Pope Francis declares you guys inside the church again.
Kayden Reyes
Deo Gratias for Lefebvre and the SSPX. Pray for the Holy Father. Pray for your local bishops and priests. Be subject to the Pope, but be subject to God most of all. Never obey any man who commands you to go againstvthe faith and sacred tradition. All human authority including Popes are subject to divine revelation faith and morals and can never contravene it.
Joshua Roberts
What the winnie the pooh is this cultist mentality?
Elijah Ramirez
I would commune with an Eastern priest and lay person if they let me. Rome has allowed Catholics to do so. So no I am not schismatic.
Rome also says you can go to sspx masses, receive and fulfil your Sunday obligation. Would Rome allow that if they were in schism?
V2 has errors so I can't accept it. I can never accept that the Muslim God is the same as the trinity. That is heresy. If you do not have the father then you do not have the son. Thankfully St Paul vi said v2 was not dogmatic and explicitly refused the protection of the holy spirit thus one does not have to accept it. I accept all the popes. No one in the sspx is sedevacantist.
Benjamin Phillips
What is this Vatican 2 cultist mentality. It's like you worship a council of modernists that isn't even dogmatic.
Alexander Gonzalez
OK kid
Mason Butler
Just what would he think if he lived today?
Blake Ortiz
Really taking the intellectual low ground here and refusing the engage in the substance.
Do you worship the God of the Muslims or the Catholic God? If you accept V2 and nostra aetate then you worship the Muslim God not the Catholic one. The Church has defined that if you do not accept the trinity then you worship a different God. This is not my interpretation but the eternal faith of the Church.