In terms of salvation it's definitely true. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But the Schism was never about salvation (both sides obviously hold up Christ), but about the nature of the Trinity… regardless of man's salvation.
Sometimes I think it's a question we shouldn't ask, but maybe that's a copout. I see the same about Predestination - I believe it, but I couldn't guess to how it works. It's a great mystery.
that graph is misleading, it shows the photian position of the spirit proceeding from the father alone rather than through the son that catholics equally affirm with (i believe) the majority of orthodox.
Let’s just be rigorous about it though. How can you seriously say you hold up Christ if there is another way to the Father other than through the Son, namely the Spirit alone?
(Predestination is impossible for anyone without an eternal perspective to fathom — which rules out all humans that aren’t God)
Are you saying it goes like pic related?
Or like this perhaps?
That's not what the Filoque issue centers around though. It's not about any other way TO the Father. All agree that it is only Christ. The controversy is on "FROM" (not to).
This is where I compare it to Predestination - because understanding the very nature of the Trinity requires an eternal perspective too. God has seen fit to reveal much to us, but I'm not sure he has about this. If we went by scripture alone, Jesus himself says that the Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 15:26).
Ah I see. So the Spirit always leads one TO Christ (perhaps implicitly, not by name) because it is God, and it leads people to God. But the Spirit may still be proceeding from the Father. Gotcha.
Very nuanced indeed.
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What is that first flag?
Move over, nerds.
It’s just not true tho.