Race and the Spread of Christianity

Ryan Evans
Ryan Evans

Since man is created both in the image and likeness, what race is God? Jesus Christ himself was of a Jewish kingly lineage, yet the Jews in the Talmud accuse him of being the bastard son of a Roman, which implies that he had a Roman (Southern European) appearance rather than a Jewish one. Christ's DNA was at least 50% God, maybe even a 100%, which would imply that God is Southern European, or at least Mediterranean too, no?
Regardless it is a fact that our current bodies will be resurrected and that therefore Christ, the apostles and the saints in heaven do have one fixed racial phenotype, ranging from Southern Europe to Middle East, and not an arbitrary one. Likewise depictions of these people must feature this phenotype or otherwise they are wrong and depict them neither how they were nor how they are in heaven. The Asian man familiar with Christian theology will have to chose between the Asian Jesus and real Jesus depiction.
Christianity has spread around the world, but in America, Africa and Asia only superficially. Northern Europe has fallen to iconoclasm thus avoiding this dilemma completely. Is racial pride the reason why the spread of Christianity looks the way it does, and why it never took hold in Eastern Asia?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Rites_controversy#Imperial_ban_and_papal_suppression
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Yaqoubi
sciencenordic.com/genetics-confirm-migrants-brought-farming-mediterranean
livescience.com/49147-egyptian-cemetery-million-mummies.html
biblestudytools.com/rhe/revelation/1.html
kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-1/
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0187408
news24.com/World/News/I-want-a-blue-eyed-Yazidi-Teen-describes-ISIS-slave-market-20150902

Owen Bailey
Owen Bailey

And obviously I don't believe the racial phenotype of a man matters in his salvation, only in depictions and what the apostles and saints will look like when and if we meet them in heaven.

Josiah Perez
Josiah Perez

Why do you believe the Talmud over the bible?

Zachary Wright
Zachary Wright

DNA was at least 50% God

Just stop.

Christ is God, his Earthly ethnicity is way too overhyped, it's a completely moot talking point that has almost no relevance on anything and the only reason why it's being discussed so much is because unbelievers and even Christians downplay his Godhood and instead focus on something as irrelevant as his temporary ethnicity.

He could've easily been Japanese, Somalian, Aztec what does it matter?

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

You realize that icon is, according to tradition, how he ROUGHLY looked, but in the eastern roman style?

Look at ethiopian or coptic or some eastern euro iconography, and Jesus is roughly in accordance to the local phenotype.

It doesn't matter is Jesus was tanner than me, he is God.

why it never took hold in Eastern Asia?
No, it's because of this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Rites_controversy#Imperial_ban_and_papal_suppression

Filipinos and koreans don't seem to have a problem with venerating our Lord.

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Tyler Nelson
Tyler Nelson

Christ's DNA was at least 50% God, maybe even a 100%
God
DNA

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William Martin
William Martin

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Lol, sure thing…come over here to Europe, see how the "mustard race" is slowly abandoning Christianity. Easter Europeans are the only one who are still resisting, together with some Countries in the Balkans (based Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians).
Most of the Christians in the future will be from Africa, Asia and South America; those Christians in the Middle East are truly ready to die for the faith: we Europeans have, for a large chunk, been so dumb that we threw in the garbage our roots (and before we go out on a "muh ebil Joos!" rant: yes, there are large fringes of powerful Jews who are feeding us all kind of filth and degenerate stuff, but we are gobbling it down without much of a fight outside LARP-tier "Hitler dindu nuffin, he was good boi!" or "Deuz Voltz!" cringe). Don't blame it only on others, look at South/West/North Europe, look at many place in the USA…we did it to ourselves.

Daniel Hughes
Daniel Hughes

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HELLO SATAN

Ian Cox
Ian Cox

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You realize everyone on this board's denoms have african branches, right?

And yes, maybe in time they will grow to be the main centers of theology, just as it shifted before, once euros stopped being human sacrifice loving pagans, or arian heretics.

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

Gabriel Barnes
Gabriel Barnes

So just leave then?

As I said, just winnie the pooh stop and leave and go convert the tiggers.

Leave europeans the winnie the pooh alone because this nightmare has been going on for 2000 years already.

Take a hint that we don't need you, but you need our money to "decorate" your wretched hives.

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

HELLO JEW!

HOW ARE YOU?

IF A JEW SAYS HE'S GOD, KILL HIM FOR HE'S LYING.

Wyatt Clark
Wyatt Clark

Bix nooding this hard

Connor Turner
Connor Turner

LEAVE

LEAVE

NO ONE MISS YOU, GO CONVERT THE TIGGER

Ryan Morgan
Ryan Morgan

Po mubba bi dat tum

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

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Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

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No you leave

Aaron Morales
Aaron Morales

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Yaqoubi
Yaqoubi claims to be a descendant of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad,[4] tracing his lineage through Mawlay Idris al-Anwar, (founder of the city of Fès), who was a descendant of Hasan ibn Ali, the grandson of Muhammad

Why do the Syrian descendents of Muhammed have ginger hair?

You say;

Jesus Christ himself was of a Jewish kingly lineage

All middle easterners used to be pale whites. See these vases from Greece that date to about 500BC (Pics related.)

The first European farmers came from the middle east;

sciencenordic.com/genetics-confirm-migrants-brought-farming-mediterranean
Scientists have sequenced the genomes of early farmers from Spain, confirming that they descended from the same group of migrants who brought farming to Northern Europe
We’ve seen in both Scandinavia and throughout central Europe that migration of people from the Fertile Crescent in the Near East brought farming techniques to Europe

There were no whites in Europe before about 2500BC. Before then, they all lived in the middle east;

livescience.com/49147-egyptian-cemetery-million-mummies.html
Million-Mummy Cemetery Unearthed in Egypt
Blond and redheaded mummies
Muhlestein said he and the other researchers can use the database to "show us all of the blond burials, and [it shows] they are clustered in one area, or all of the red-headed burials, and [it shows] they're clustered in another area."

Also, Jesus is described as 'white as white wool;'

biblestudytools.com/rhe/revelation/1.html
14 And his head and his hairs were white as white wool and as snow. And his eyes were as a flame of fire:

If anything, he was albino.

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Blake Hill
Blake Hill

That’s post-resurrection. You forgot to mention the eyes like flames and the bronze skin. It’s not usable for this argument.

Joshua Jones
Joshua Jones

You’re right about the ancient Middle East.
Anyways, nobody has flaming eyes and metallic skin. That is Jesus Christ in his Godly form.

Anthony Gray
Anthony Gray

That’s post-resurrection

Jesus shows up with the wounds from his crucifixion. His appearance in Revelation is either identical to his injured post-resurrection appearance when he appeared to his apostles, or you're saying that Jesus's body was changed after he appeared to his followers.

You forgot to mention the eyes like flames

Red albino eyes?

and the bronze skin

Brass feet, not bronze skin;

biblestudytools.com/rhe/revelation/1.html
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as in a burning furnace

Also, you know brass is a light golden color, not dark and brownish, right?

Fine, clean polished brass can actually look like white people skin in sunlight. It's pretty clear that Jesus's feet were more golden/yellow (Brass) than brown/red (Copper, bronze.)

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Joshua Barnes
Joshua Barnes

You’re right about the ancient Middle East

And Jesus would have looked like an ancient middle easterners; white.

Anyways, nobody has flaming eyes and metallic skin. That is Jesus Christ in his Godly form

Those are metaphors to describe Jesus's appearance.

Doubled up the images.

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Hudson Thomas
Hudson Thomas

You are really stretching it.
Red albino eyes?
It says like a glowing flame of fire. Just like when angels appear.
Brass feet, not bronze skin;
Not just Hos feet, Hos arms look like “burnished bronze”, NOT brass. Different metal, different color.
It’s His glorified body, so it bears the same physical scars, but He’s also glowing like lightning.

Ayden Ortiz
Ayden Ortiz

Yes I agree about the white part, I’m just pointing out a bit of theooogy.

Blake Long
Blake Long

Same here.
I trust the first century accounts of Jesus, which day he had chestnut hair that was often sun bleached.

Jason Hughes
Jason Hughes

It says like a glowing flame of fire

Like an albino's eyes lit up by light?

Just like when angels appear

Maybe they're albino too?

Not just Hos feet, Hos arms look like “burnished bronze”, NOT brass. Different metal, different color

The Douay-Rheims Bible says brass, not bronze. So does the KJV;

kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-1/
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters

What version are you using?

It’s His glorified body, so it bears the same physical scars, but He’s also glowing like lightning

Again, an allegory for skin reflectance. White skin reflects light while black skin absorbs it - if you take a picture of a white person and a black person side-by-side, and do a long exposure to capture enough light for the black person to not be a black abyss, the white person looks like they're glowing.

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Michael Butler
Michael Butler

these albino posts are schizo-tier. Christ probably looked very similar to his depiction in the Christ Pantocrator icon. ancient israelites looked like levantine people. levantine people are not dark-skinned arabs or whatever, but they don't look like swedes either. the only DNA he has is Mary's. the talmud is a bunch of anti-Christ satanic lies.

Aiden Sanders
Aiden Sanders

Has Mary’s DNA
Well not anymore, but you’re essentially right

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0187408
Modern-day Assyrians and Yazidis from Northern Iraq have a stronger genetic continuity with the original Mesopotamian people
Consequently, despite corresponding to isolated and homogenous populations, contemporary Assyrians and Yazidis from Northern Iraq may in fact have a stronger continuity with the original genetic stock of the Mesopotamian people, which possibly provided the basis for the ethnogenesis of various subsequent Near Eastern populations.

ISIS fighters crave blue-eyed Yazidi;

news24.com/World/News/I-want-a-blue-eyed-Yazidi-Teen-describes-ISIS-slave-market-20150902

Pic related.

levantine people are not dark-skinned arabs or whatever, but they don't look like swedes either

But, they *do* look like Swedes.

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Carter Anderson
Carter Anderson

Jesus literally came out of The virgin Mary's womb
but He doesn't have her DNA
this is your brain on heresy

Sure, just ignore the genealogy presented in the book of Luke if you want to be a heretic I guess.

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Josiah Brooks
Josiah Brooks

Christ is both fully God and fully man, which means he also has man DNA just like us. We know that DNA decides phenotype, and at least 50% of his DNA must come from God.

Camden Taylor
Camden Taylor

No. F*cking stop with your autism.

Aaron Baker
Aaron Baker

the only DNA he has is Mary's
Humans are incapable of asexual reproduction, and the Bible clearly says Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit.

Jason Ward
Jason Ward

Through a miracle. You just played yourself, Mormon.

Kevin Robinson
Kevin Robinson

Your insults don't refute my arguments friend. Remember our Christian kindness and rule 2.

Tyler Morris
Tyler Morris

YOU remember the rules. You’re the one shilling for Mormon heresy.
You must be a Nicene Creed Trinitarian, who believes the Chalcedonian definition of Christ, otherwise you are not Christian.

Levi Gomez
Levi Gomez

Jesus existed before he came out of Mary’s womb. In fact, he existed infinitely before Mary ever existed

Hudson Barnes
Hudson Barnes

I do, I am Orthodox, but tell me how Christ having man DNA from God contradicts either.

Ryan Gonzalez
Ryan Gonzalez

But if Jesus doesn't have Mary's DNA than Jesus isn't a human. He isn't connected to humanity and it would literally not fullfill the prophecies of the Old Testament. God tells the prophets that the future messiah will literally be apart of the line of David. Mary is that line to David.
Reference: 2 Samuel 7:12–16; Isaiah 11:1; Jeremiah 23:5–6;
Fulfillment: Matthew 1:1; Luke 1:32–33; Acts 15:15–16; Hebrews 1:5

Jesus is connected to humanity through the Blessed Virgin Mary. Get over it.

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Matthew Green
Matthew Green

Because he Holy Spirit is a spirit, not physical, and cannot have DNA. There’s no way you’re orthodox.
100% Man, 100% God.

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Levi Hall
Levi Hall

the Holy Spirit cannot gave DNA
Then how did Mary conceive a child from him?

Ian Taylor
Ian Taylor

That’s why it’s called a miracle.
God is not bound by physical laws. He created the universe from nothing simply by speaking, and you have a problem with the conception? Get out of here.

Nathan Peterson
Nathan Peterson

The only DNA Christ would have would be purely human, s DNA pertains only to the terrestrial realm. For God to have separate divine DNA would imply that God was created outside of Himself by something else, which is blasphemy.

Noah Moore
Noah Moore

I have no problem with divine conception, but you do because you imply Mary reproduced asexually, in which case it wouldn't even be conception. The divine part is that Mary was impregnated by God without losing her virginity. I don't even see why you would insist that Christ has 100% Mary's DNA (which isn't even possible because Mary had no X Chromosome, so where is that from?), unless you're some Mary-crazed Catholic who prays to nobody else besides her.

Samuel Green
Samuel Green

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Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

Stop bearing false witness. That user never implied Mary reproduced asexually. Just because you have an anti-Catholic bias doesn't make you right in any way shape or form.

The fact that you are getting upset that Jesus has Mary's DNA in him just shows what a filthy heretic you are. If Jesus doesn't have some of Mary's DNA than Jesus isn't from the line of David. If Jesus isn't from the line of David than Jesus isn't the Messiah.

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Aaron Miller
Aaron Miller

I'm not implying that God has a DNA, but that he could create a DNA which is special and most closely resembles him, for the human nature aspect of his son.

Liam Hernandez
Liam Hernandez

I fine with Jesus having 50% Mary's DNA, which seems the most sensible to me as stated in the OP. You're a Catholic who doesn't believe the Bible.

Jordan Jenkins
Jordan Jenkins

Obviously I meant Y Chromosome. You can't make a man from woman DNA.

Juan Harris
Juan Harris

he could create a DNA which is special and most closely resembles him, for the human nature aspect of his son
Then Christ would not be fully God and fully man, because having "special DNA" entails that He would actually be more divine than human.

Noah Ward
Noah Ward

No, I don't think so. Adam also had special DNA (created, not inherited) and he was fully man.

Josiah Kelly
Josiah Kelly

It was created, but only human.

Samuel Butler
Samuel Butler

Besides, the best possible created man DNA is still man DNA, it can't exceed the category, or it (=what you're saying) would imply we could gene-engineer ourselves into Gods.

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

Christ is the perfect man, so his DNA must be perfectly human (closest to God) and not just randomly human.

Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

I am not the one implying anything. You're insisting that you can rationalise God's mystery. It isn't going happen, except lead to heresy.

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