Was the Catholic Church right to translate the mass to popular languages?

Or should have they stayed with Latin for everything ?

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We still have Tridentine Latin Mass. Secular government and those that gave them the power to secularize is to blame for purposefully dumbing down the laity by removing greek and latin from school curriculum.

You do realize that when the Latin Mass was written, it literally was the vernacular, right? Everyone spoke it and understood it. Keeping Mass in a language nobody speaks or understands is keeping Mass distant from the people, which is not the purpose of Mass.

On the one hand it's good for people to understand what's being said, but you can achieve that through education.
The biggest problem is that before V2 you had one mass throughout the world. You could go to any country and it's the same mass, and you could participate. There was communion. That has been lost.

The Latin Mass was implemented in 1570. So it wasn't always the same. things change, yo.

Latin should be a popular language.

Pope Pius XI (Officiorum Omnium, 1922): "The Church - precisely because it embraces all nations and is destined to endure until the end of time - of its very nature requires a language which is universal, immutable, and non-vernacular."
Pope Pius XII (Mediator Dei): "The use of the Latin language affords at once an imposing sign of unity and an effective safeguard against the corruption of true doctrine."
Pope Paul VI (encyclical Sacrificium Laudis, 1966): "The Latin language is assuredly worthy of being defended with great care instead of being scorned; for the Latin Church it is the most abundant source of Christian civilization and the richest treasury of piety. We must not hold in low esteem these traditions of our fathers which were our glory for centuries."
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Well, you got your work cut out for you is you want that again. Popular languages come through imperialism (cultural/economical/military/all of the above). It'll take a lot more than some minority in the Church. You'll need every shopkeeper, trader, and a giant army to stomp all over people to help you.. most of whom wouldn't care about the Church.

Anyhow, that's English now. One day it will die too.

The problem is not that they translated the mass into vernacular languages, they invented an entirely new crypto-Protestant mass which is horrible and ugly. The novus ordo is not a vernacular translation of the true mass.

the only true Mass is that which has a licit apostolic Priest, and if it be canonized it is licit (so, in other words, every Mass the Church endorses)

TLM wasn't finalized until the 13th century

Wait, are there really christanons here who don't speak Latin ?

in my parish, we use both English and Coptic with teleprompters to help us know the difference, side by side in translation.
Why can't the Catholic Church have something like this?

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We've had it for centuries now, it's called a "missal".

It's fine. The predisposition of the celebrants and congregants does far more to "colour" the Mass than the language or position of the altar. You can have a reverent, serious yet uplifting New Rite Mass, and you can have a sad, miserable, insulting Old Rite Mass. It changes things as cutting your sandwich diagonally or horizontally changes the taste, i.e., not at all.

(Before I start let me say that, overall, I've come to realize the flaws in the Novus Ordo and have started periodically attending a TLM parish.) I grew up in a NO parish that was really poorly constructed in an ecclesial sense (i.e. Tabernacle off to the side, "presider's chair" at the center behind the alter and flanked by two seats for alter servers, didn't even have kneelers in the pews, etc.) When I was in middle/high school we had a more conservative pastor take the reigns and he helped to direct the already planned renovations to the main church, which were not perfect, but defiantly a net positive. However as part of the church's renovation, a series of cameras, projectors, and flat-screens were installed. Thus, from then on, not only was the mass projected on these screens, but prayers, hymn lyrics, readings, and the general order of the mass was replaced by a slideshow (or superimposed on the captured video). As a result, even though the parish still got paperback missals (at least until recently), said missals were not distributed to the pews. Now this wouldn't be as much of a problem, except that idk if there has been a week that goes by without the slideshow having some kind of error or the poor sucker controlling it screws up somehow. Not only has it been distracting from the worship of our LORD, but it has also been disastrous because parishioners who've said the NO mass for most of if not the entirety of their lives suddenly can't remember the words or correct order because they've grown so accustomed to this accursed slideshow. Things have gotten out of hand that I've heard of an incident from my relatives that still attend in which the order of the Creed was winnie'd so practically the entire parish was saying it wrong. Naturally, this completely blindsided our pastor, who at that point had been saying mass for over 50 years, to the point that (if I recall) at least one of the ExO ministers ran over to him because they thought he was struck with some kind of episode of illness. All this because some boomers wanted save paper and bring the parish into the current year. All of this is to say, if your NO parish is considering projectors, Don't. And if your parish is NO, Don't.

Nope, the bulk of the TLM goes all the way back to the St. Peter. They added a few things here and there over the years, but don't try to pretend that's /anything/ like the Novus Ordo changes you slimy, disingenuous little Jew. Enjoy your table courtesy of Thomas Cranmer.

substantiate

I'm Catholic, brother.

so there were no tables at the Last Supper, brother?

I think so, the divine service should be able to be Inculterated, Christianity isn't Roman or Byzantine, otherwise it destroys local customs.

So you think the Church somehow failed to realize the necessity for a table for 1960 years and then finally realized that the Protestants had it right all along?

Newsflash Mr. "Catholic" (I don't believe you btw) the mass is the repetition of the sacrifice of Christ by Himself to Himself on Calvary, not the repetition of the Last Supper.

no

no, but Brother, where did I say any of these things?

It is both a re-presentation of Calvary, and a repetition of the Last Supper. I believe I am Catholic, because I am in full communion with the Seat of St. Peter, are you?

You don't sound like it…