How do I deal with this waiting to be baptized anxiety...

how do I deal with this waiting to be baptized anxiety? I know most protestants say that you don't go to hell if you're not baptized, but catholics and orthodox say that you do, so that's 2 against 1, and what if they're right? it's freaking me out.

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Start praying the rosary everyday and the Blessed Virgin Mary will pray on your behalf and ask her Son to keep you safe. Just relax and don't anything wouldn't do on a normal day (ie bungee jumping, paragliding, speeding on the road, going to a biker bar and mouthing off on someone, etc)

It is only unbelief that caused condemnation. Although, faith cant exist in a person who despises and rejects baptism against better knowledge. But those who believe the gospel, yet die before they have oppurtunity to be baptized, are not condemned. (Mark 16:16 "who ever does not believe will be condemned")

You should only pray to our Lord Jesus Christ, not to the Holy Virgin Mary. (Ps. 65:2, 1 John 5:20-21, revelations 22:8-9)

You won't be able to get to Jesus without her, bud.

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Matthew
{7:21} Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven

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Catechumens are considered part of the Church, historically, mate.

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If doing immersion request that they just make sure to leave no hair unsoaked.

but you're proof-reading. when you accept Jesus, you must also accept all His commandments; one of the critical ones being Matthew 16:18

if you reject St. Peter, you are thus rejecting Christ's Church and Christ Himself.

yes

no. Leave St. Mary alone. You're embarrassing her. She's very happy with her son and would prefer for you to think about Him.

Yes she totally is. A pope declared this from his super special chair so it true since he's infallible in his special chair.

That's some Mohammedan level scripture twisting

This.
Worship the virgin mary or hold her up to jesus's and your nothing more than an idol worshiper

No one worships Mary, bud. You people keep falling for this lie. Stop it. Get some help.

How? It's called the Proto-evangelium.
Justin Martyr (120-165 AD) was the first Church Father to draw an explicit comparison between Eve and Mary: "For Eve, being a virgin and undefiled, conceiving the word that was from the serpent, brought forth disobedience and death; but the Virgin Mary, taking faith and joy, when the Angel told her the good tidings, that the Spirit of the Lord should … overshadow her, and therefore the Holy One that was born of her was Son of God, answered, "Be it done to me according to Thy word."

The concept of Genesis 3:15 being the Proto-evangelium or "First Gospel" is attributed to St. Irenaeus of Lyons (135-202) from his work Against Heresies: "For this end did He put enmity between the serpent and the woman and her seed, they keeping it up mutually: He, the sole of whose foot should be bitten, having power also to tread upon the enemy's head; but the other biting, killing, and impeding the steps of man, until the seed did come appointed to tread down his head, - which was born of Mary, of whom the prophet speaks: 'Thou shalt tread upon the asp and the basilisk; thou shalt trample down the lion and the dragon (Psalm 91:13).'"
- St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter 23, Number 7 23

"Christ has therefore, in His work of recapitulation, summed up all things, both waging war against our enemy, and crushing him who had at the beginning led us away captives in Adam, and trampled upon his head, as thou can perceive in Genesis that God said to the serpent, 'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; He shall be on the watch for thy head, and thou on the watch for his heel.' For from that time, He who should be born of a woman, namely from the Virgin, after the likeness of Adam, was preached as keeping watch for the head of the serpent. This is the seed of which the apostle says in the Letter to the Galatians, 'that the law of works was established until the seed should come to whom the promise was made (Galatians 3:19).' This fact is exhibited in a still clearer light in the same Epistle where he thus speaks: 'But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman (Galatians 4:4).' For indeed the enemy would not have been fairly vanquished, unless it had been a man born of a woman who conquered him. For it was by means of a woman that he got the advantage over man at first, setting himself up as man's opponent. And therefore does the Lord profess Himself to be the Son of man, comprising in Himself that original man out of whom the woman was fashioned, in order that, as our species went down to death through a vanqushed man, so we may ascend to life again through a victorious one; and as through a man death received the palm of victory against us, so again by a man we may receive the palm against death."
- St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, 21, 1

St. Jerome (347-420) translated the Hebrew texts while living an ascetic life in Bethlehem and completed his work in 405. St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate Bible was the standard Bible in Western civilization for over 1000 years! He employed the word she for the epicene form in Genesis 3:15. This of course had a profound effect on Marian devotion. St. Jerome captured the meaning at the time through an expression: "Death through Eve, life through Mary." One still sees images today of Mary trampling the head of the serpent.

Mary is the co-redemptrix because of her relation to the Christ, Jesus. Without her there is no Jesus. That is also why she is the Queen of Heaven, her relation to Jesus. Even if it's supposed to be a man (Jesus) trampling the head of the serpent, Mary is part of that insofar as how she contributes to redemption by giving the second person of the Trinity His humanity, which was used to redeem us. That does not mean she's equal in performing the redemption, but that she was a unique part of it. In Revelation 11-12, take note of how St John clearly identifies a woman (the new Eve, Mary), her seed (the Christ, Jesus) and the serpent (Satan) and the enmity between them (the followers of her Son). Keep in mind that the description of the Ark in 11:19 would have continued into chapter 12 without a chapter break when it was written… meaning it is indeed Mary who is the Ark of the New Covenant. Her crown can represent the 12 tribes of Israel, the 12 apostles, the 12 patriarchs, but it's absurd to say that the woman is the Church, or Israel, because the parallels to the Proto-evangelium don't make sense then, and a symbol would not need to literally give birth.

This is a thread about Baptism and the first thing that happens is the Protestants start whining and picking fights about Mary. Mercy

I'd like to give an addendum to this post
What I meant to say is that it's absurd to say that the woman is just the Church or Israel, because there is obviously symbolism for that, and she does indeed give birth to the Church (which is why she's described as in pain during the birth, something that isn't true of the virgin birth of the Christ). And I'd also like to add that the Proto-evangelium proves the blessed virgin was sinless, because the enmity is between Satan and the woman (again, singular), Our Lady. She was always his enemy, never his slave.

The thief on the cross wasn't baptized, and I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't kick him out of heaven for it. You will be fine.
And before anybody can twist what I said, Acts, as well as many other scriptures, makes it very clear that you are supposed to baptize every Christian. Jesus wasn't a legalist and isn't going to cast you out because you didn't get wet enough, but you absolutely have to make the effort. I don't know any Christian who thinks you can just opt out of baptism.

only non-catholics can twist it, as for the Church, She has proclaimed that if he were to die, it'd be ample evidence of baptism by desire, so user would be fine - provided he's honest

God says you're saved by grace through faith and not of works so it's God against not God

faith without works is dead, and God is the God of the living, not the dead

Huh you know it's weird, I keep looking at Matthew 16:18 and I don't see any commands. Would you mind pointing out where in this verse Jesus tells me to do something? Or perhaps you miscited?

He built the Church upon St. Peter alone, made St. Peter first of all the Apostles' to receive the authority to bind on Heaven and Earth, and the promise that hell would never prevail against the Church - also given to St. Peter alone- are "executive commands" if you will.

He is appointing His Church upon St. Peter. If you defy this Church, you then defy Christ.

Sorry I'm still not seeing a commandment I am to obey. Why don't you quote the verbatim words in this verse that are addressed to me, and tell me to do something?

You are rejecting Christ's authority. If you then say that there is no command to accept Christ's authority, then there is nothing else to say.

The Vatican defies Christ when they prostrate themselves before Muslims.

How? Christ told us to be the smallest, the humblest of servants to all.

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You do not need to be baptized to be saved. There's only 3 verses I've seen people use to try to say you need to be baptized, I'll debunk all three.

Mark 16:15
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
This verse does not say what happens to a person that belivees and is not baptized, only someone that believes and is baptized and someone that does not believe. Let's say Person A believes and is baptized, Person B believes and is not baptized, and Person C does not believe. According to this verse A goes to Heaven and C goes to Hell, but says nothing about B. According to John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Person A and B go to Heaven and C goes to Hell.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
They will say being "born of water" is being baptized. No, being born of water is being physically born, and they will usually leave out verse 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." which Jesus compares being born of water with being born of the flesh, and being born of the spirit with being born of the spirit.

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
They will take the part where it says "baptism doth also now save us" and say that proves it, but no, it's "The like figure" that saves us, not baptism. And the like figure is the death, burial, and ressurection of Christ. Colossians 2:12 12 "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

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You are not worshiping anyone you humble yourself for, unless you would accuse Christ of worshiping the Apostles.

Wow you capitulated really early

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If you reject Christ's institution, then there is no where to begin. How can I reason with someone completely cut off from Christ? You look at a page, see His words, and then decide for yourself what they mean. No ears to hear.

Are you claiming the other apostles besides Peter didn't have keys aka authority?

Mary idolatry?

Except it's not. I tell you what, insulting Jesus' mother and calling her a sinner will profit you nothing but a one way ticket to hell.
For Mary was prophesized in Genesis 3
For she was foreshadowed in Exodus 37
For she was declared "full of grace" (or κεχαριτωμένη) in Luke
And crowned Queen of Heaven in Revelation 12

Just as Eve was made from the flesh of Adam, Jesus was made from the flesh of Mary. Jesus was born sinless. Since Jesus and Mary are of the same flesh, it follows that Mary is also sinless.

Since Mary, like all faithful Christians, is one in the eternal body of Christ, alive and well, we can ask her to pray for us like you ask us to pray for you. Asking someone to pray for you does not mean that you are worshiping them.

Yes, Jesus does listen to His mother. Is it not written in God's Commandments to honor both thy father and thy mother? Jesus performs His first ever miracle at the wedding at Cana. Revealing to everyone Jesus' godhood.

So, my friend, repent. Repent from the traditions of men like Luther and Calvin and Smith. Repent and come home to Rome. Repent and you shall be free from the shackles of sin.

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We can pray to Mary, there’s nothing wrong with veneration and prayer to Mary, but we should also pray to Christ directly who is the saviour.

Never said we couldn't pray to Jesus, but not everyone that prays to Him will be acknowledged, especially ones that insult His mother. If I insulted your mother, would you want to do anything for me?

the absolute state of Catholic exegesis

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Who do you think gave birth to Jesus fren?

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Considering most Protestants don't even know who Nestorius is, you guys sure love his heresy.

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He wouldn't. Jesus needs Mary because:
1) it fullfills the prophecy (born of a virgin, apart of the house of David)
And
2) she gives Him His humanity
Without Mary, Jesus isn't the Messiah and not the Son of God.
REPENT HERETIC!

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Absolute state of papists

Sad

Baptism is a symbolic act meant to wash you of original sin. It's not mandatory but it is preferable. What's concerning here is that you're more worried about your position in relation to the afterlife than you are with God and righteousness.

False faith is not rewarded, son.

Oh wow, it's funny how most of the symbology about Jesus is so clear, but Mary's is all hidden under mental ginastics.

If any apostle ever referred to her in the way Catholics do, it was always done in a super stealthy way, apparently.

It's almost as if… Someone was reading what the apostles said… And trying to create another meaning to what they said just to support their dogmas, and as there is no clear example to support them, they had to rely on vague parts of the scripture.

Mark 16:16
Read it and sin no more, heretic.

Have you heard commentary by Church Fathers on the Proto-evangelium?

No thanks.