Sounds like you're butthurt people left. No one cares how much or little work it takes to un-poz the distro, when it's pozzed as default that is plenty enough reason to leave.
I run Gentoo btw
Wayland
Jacob Smith
Nathan Long
Is there a better authority on the X11 protocol than the X.org developers who spend their expertise trolling through the reference implementation of X11?
Aaron Parker
I've never understood why FOSS has so much trouble with graphics and sound.
And file systems.
And init systems.
And efficient desktop IPC
Juan Brooks
They're shills because they make statements like "just about everything in Debian repos is built to expect systemD" which is obviously not true.
A justification for an entire distro being that they didn't like one default is pure autism. Debian doesn't have to be installed with systemd. I run a multistrap build for work that installs stretch with sysvinit. WSL also doesn't use systemd on stretch.
Owen Phillips
"They" didn't make that statement, I made that statement because that statement is true.
Maybe, why do you care? Because those with autism do the majority of the work perhaps? You seem to have an autistic need to defend your beloved distro
This is true if you want to spend all that time with configuration and marking systemd in apt so it doesn't pull it when you upgrade or pull something that depends on it by default (which is nearly everything). Why do through the trouble of doing it yourself when an entire community maintains a distro that does it for you? If you don't want systemd there is no reason to use a distro that uses it by default.
Good for you, you could avoid all that work by just using a distro that does the same exact thing by default. You're the one with autism.
I can change the default. I'm just not a retard that uses a pozzed distro then yells at other people that forked it and made their own thing.
Again you sound like a butthurt faggot.
Cooper Young
Uhh, that's the reason why 90% of all other distros exist, especially debian/ubuntu based.
I don't get why people are so butthurt about devuan, it's just like every other debian based distros with different defaults. Why don't you get mad about ubuntu instead?
Adam Smith
t. someone who hasn't tried to run Debian without systemd
Every time.
Levi Cooper
Because every program regardless of the user they are run as can read every key press every mouse click and every pixel of your screen. xorg is total shit.
Landon Ortiz
Devuan only modifies a few packages, user. Debian contains over 10,000. Your statement cannot be true. And some of those changes are pure butthurt, like adding xlennart, or purges of optional systemd support that weren't necessary. There are also suspicious additions like the "bitcoin" package that have nothing to do with systemd and aren't present in Debian.
There is literally no marking and configuration is just specifying "packages=sysvinit-core" to multistrap instead of "packages=systemd-sysv" during install. I make builds of stretch for both, sysvinit for an embedded device and systemd for our servers.
upgrade will never pull a package that requires a removal unless you've fucked up your apt preferences severely. As you're a gentoo user, you probably have. Don't change defaults you don't understand. You guys have well-deserved reputations as clowns.
Because they're literally retarded and can't even get GNOME working? And the "trouble" in this case was typing "sudo apt-get install sysvinit-core". Oh no, too hard, better make an entirely new distro.
I'd rather use a distro that gives me a choice and has timely security updates.
Noah Carter
fuck wayland and fuck systemd