How scientific of you. Aren't the material conditions quite a bit different now? Meaning that other variables have changed? So how can we say for sure how things would play out?
Law of Value and Wages
John Adams
Isaiah James
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Yes, actually. Using previous instances to illustrate a point is "scientific".
You're still under capitalism. In fact, a lot of the fundamental laws haven't even changed.
Parliamentary democracies still work fairly similar than they used to. It's not like it's gotten "easier" to push "socialism" through. In fact, in places like the United States, it's probably gotten harder.
Gee, I don't know, how about every other time capitalism has been in decay? You get big wars and/or fascism. Remember the entire 20th century?
Assuming you're the same person making these nuclear takes on economics and the LTV, please read Marx, Engels, and Lenin. I am begging you to learn more.
Ethan Cox
Listen, when you have capital by the throat, you don't put it down and ask it for concessions. You keep strangling it until it dies. If you don't do that, then it will stab you in the back the first chance it gets.
Christopher Rodriguez
If we had the numbers, why couldn't we take control of the state via elections. What exactly would stop us?
But we don't. We could improve our position dramatically by organizing electorally.
Gabriel Gonzalez
It's a bourgeois institution. It's made to suit their interests. If they don't think they have control over it anymore, they'll turn to various forms of Fascism. See Chile for a perfect example.
Also, I'd argue the bourgeois state's mechanisms aren't particularly good for suiting the will of the proletariat. However, that's another subject.
I'm not saying don't participate in elections. Despite my armchair tendencies, there's not really a problem with trying to do it. However, it's not like the bourgeoisie will let you just win and then roll over without fighting back.
Gabriel Roberts
Yeah, but what I am saying is that in order to implement what you are talking about, we will need to grab capital by the throat. And at that point, you may as well drop all pretenses of collaboration. If you decide to loosen your grip at that point, then we will lose.You need to kill it at the first chance at power we have, because those chances are few and far between.
Landon Jenkins
Don't you think this would be much harder to do in the US, considering how well established the democratic process is there?
They'll do their best to defeat us within the law, but as soon as they break the law to stop us, they've actually helped our cause, as now THEY become the illegal revolutionaries, not us.
Thomas Ward
Reforming the welfare state so that it actually cares for people would be a massive step in the right direction, no?
Jaxon Reed
You clearly don't live in the US if you think that. Trump could declare himself Godking right now and 30% of the population would support him.
Of course that is a good thing. No one is denying that. But if we have the political strength to do that, we might as well go all the way. Historically the bourgeoisie have found ways to cut and undo social welfare programs whenever they can. If we simply try to make "capitalism with a human face" it will quickly turn into "capitalism in your face" as history has shown.
Benjamin Morris
Please tell me you're joking. The US of A is one of the least democratic countries in the first world. Even BernieBros recognize that the government is instituted in a way that it will always represent the ruling class.