Street gangs

Definition of lumpen and proof that they have no revolutionary potential

Do you think the gulag was just political prisoners?

Lol

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That's not what hoodrats do tho.
Plus imperial russia georgia is not the same as detroit

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What? Gangbangers don't use money to help a revolution.

Like I said it depends, but for the most part Stalin did count as a gang member.

Wew
Its like not supporting the hoard or disliking insideman(the movie)

Both are shit and spike lee is a awful director who's inside man is an empty exercise in style.
25th hour is the only good movie he made, do the right thing is just popular in america because brownie points with black ppl

Ohh come on , the end twist was cool

Yes, but hardly a must.
I just hate spike lee ok? Fucking cunt

Great praxis.

Used to somewhat legitimate but are now the byproducts of society and alienation in our society. Im sure most ppl have heard of the story that CRIPS formed from the black panthers as all that. its a half truth. The original crips (80s-90s) formed from a loose association former black panthers, street hoodlums, drug dealers, bad ass kids in school who fought alot. The former black panthers and drug dealers formed the leadership and most of the lower ranking membership came from highschoolers and teenagers.

Most of the hoolaganism and theft was limited at this time (1976). Rico laws were used to take out leadership. There was also attrition from members complaining about lack of legitimate goals and revolutionary action. around the time in the 80s most of those highschoolers became adults, with lack of real leadership beyond drug dealers and the unlearned leadership. Also add to the fact of reaganomics and the influx of drugs in poor communities by the US gov't. The lack of legitimate, well paying jobs, influx of drugs that could be traded as commodities created the drug culture we have today. Many of the gangs started to defend their turf and protect income.

The most revolutionary gang if you are interested was jeff fort and the Black P Stone Nation aka El Rukhn They still are far from perfect , especially how Chicago is now (its embarrassing and cancerous as fuck). But their problem was that they would often fight with the BPP in the 70s. and after Fort went to prison, their entire organiztion went down after that.

Pretty sure the Bloods and Crips split was created by the FBI.

They are hierarchical and exploitive by having a capitalist framework.

What

fucking bourgeoisie armchair "marxists".

bloods were out numbered by crip gangs 3 to 1, because the crips were to busy fighting each other

what about the shot callers who live far from from the neighborhoods they've made unlivable through gang warfare?

It's really easy to write off gang violence when it's never been something you've had to worry about. Investigations into "gang ties" do frequently land innocent people in hot water, but that doesn't mean gangs are harmless.

I know right? Straight fuckin busters.

rank and file gangsters are redeemable people, upper-level gangsters and pimps are basically kulaks

"The Maoist revolutionaries called on the addicts themselves to step forward, kick their habit and join the struggle for a new society. The Maoist revolutionaries organized the people in the communities to struggle with their addicted brothers and sisters: to persuade them and educate them. Ex-addicts and their families joined big marches and rallies. Drugs were burned at neighborhood celebrations. Kids were organized in their schools. The NEW POWER meant that the newspapers and radio were mobilized to support the revolutionary campaign.
The Maoists said that the system and its big-time supporters should be considered enemies, and that the addicts should be considered part of the people and should be treated as victims of the system. This is the opposite approach from the pig-cops and most religious preachers who act like ``the system is OK'' and who treat addicts like human trash and criminals.
Because of these class distinctions, addicts were not arrested when they ``went public.'' Instead, the people praised the addicts for doing the RIGHT AND REVOLUTIONARY thing. Because the people were in power, the addicts eventually lost their fear of seeking help. Deadlines were set: addicts got several months to get clean. During this period, they could keep a little opium and they were given injections to ease the muscle cramps of withdrawal.
Mao's revolutionary government also said small-time drug dealers would not be treated as Enemies of the People – IF these small-time operators helped end the drug trade. The revolutionary government offered small-time dealers a one-time-only deal: Mao's government bought out all ``the product'' that small dealers and growers had. In exchange, these small-time operators had to get out of the drug business for good. Some small-time drug dealers resisted this deal – they were called out by the people and arrested. Some were put under constant neighborhood surveillance, others went to prison to be re-educated.
This revolutionary policy treated all poor people as brothers and sisters. Poor addicts and dealers got ``A WAY OUT'' of the drug trade. They were given jobs and were encouraged to join the struggle for a new society.
A different approach was taken toward the big-time drug traffickers who got rich off the suffering of the people. They were classified "Enemies of the People." These big-time criminals were put on trial in front of thousands of people. People whose lives were ruined by drugs testified against them. These big-time oppressors got COLD HARD JUSTICE: life in prison or public execution. There weren't many such executions – only five or ten in the largest cities. "

Capitalism requires that some potential proletarians be excluded from productive employment, otherwise nobody would willingly agree to exploitation. But unemployed people still need to eat, so gangs form among those who are prevented from working in "legitimate" businesses. They're violent because they don't have access to state violence to settle their disagreements, so they settle things without the courts.

So it's clear, gangs are a necessary consequence of capitalism, and their members are even more exploited by capitalism than the average proletarian.

i have family that live this life and have to deal with all the fallout of it.

my post

a little sensationalist but i enjoyed this documentary

Eradicate them.

youtube.com/watch?v=tqoOLohTu_k

No, rank and file bangers are cool and can be reformed but don't pretend these organisations aren't essentially capitalist in nature

Former(?) Gang Affiliate and Brainlet tier ML here. Based out of Chicago & the NW Suburbs, I can post some thoughts. Split into 2 parts due to length.

Couples things For transparencies sake- I’m a neutron (someone who isn’t a member of a gang), but all my friends in the neighborhood I grew up in are/we’re Vice Lords and 4 Corner Hustlers, sister hangs that were Allied with the Aforementioned Black P. Stones. The “former” comes from the fact that after my family was homeless circa 2012~2013 via eviction, I lost regular contact with Fo’nem, so some parts of specific gang ideology of the post-instagram era I’m unfamiliar with, and they’re from a generation prior anyways compared to the shorties who are primarily active. I’m also typing all this on mobile so I didn’t proofread. Apologies for typos/run on sentences etc.

Chicago gang history is very interesting in general but to save time I’ll simplify it, most gangs started during the civil rights era, in part because economic conditions prevented legal work and in part as a local neighborhood defense mechanism against both police violence and other gangs that’d threaten the neighborhood. The ones that started later are off-shoots of pre-existing organizations. During the 70s, a more overarching structure resembling more of the general idea most of you have of gangs came to be- shot callers and goons, etc. This is generally because local gangs would band together under greater banners creating bigger organizations. In November of 1978, a collective of major street gangs formed into 2 separate Alliances- the People and Folk nations (henceforth referees to as the 5 and the 6 respectively), which up until recently was the major determinant in friend/foe. What followed was the major drug push in the 80s from Cartels and Intelligence Agencies that resulted in intense violence, and in the 90s resulted in the Rico crackdown that took out most of the top leadership.

This combined with Mayor Daley’s gentrification project, the economic resssion generating more alienation, the evolution of Big Pharma, and the rise of the internet resulted in a major shift into what we have today. As gangs were generally in disarray due to lack of leadership and continually pushed further and further into pockets of the city and into the suburbs, the alliance slowly eroded and even various sects to different gangs have turned on each other. Vice Lord sets would War etc. Likewise, the existence of well-off shot callers faded mostly into obscurity, though some still exist. As anecdotal example, In 2008-2011 when I was most active, there was a dichotomy of “respect allied gangs, disrespect allied gangs, but be loyal to the neighborhood”. So, my friends in The 5 were cool with the local Latin Kings (as they were super loyal to The 5), the local GDs (because we were in a predominantly white high school, so Black people stuck together even though they’d taunt each other due to gang affiliation), and the local Surenos for a time (we lived in the same apartment complex). Contrastly, Vice Lords and 4CHs from other areas we took on a case by case basis- some we had personal beef with, some we were cool with.

Now, with gang alliances eroded due to lack of proper leadership, alienation at an intense high, a shit economy, the opioid and prescription drug crisis and ease of access to social media gangs reached where we are today. The rise of social media lead to clout chasing, and the shift in popular drugs to shit like Xanax, Percocets and Lean has created a generation of gangs that are junkies. They exclusively show loyalty primarily to their own neighborhood and are so hopped up on opiates they often can’t think about or understand their material conditions. Almost all wars are based on petty disputes/revenge between Neighborhoods. They’re only interested in clout chasing, and generally speaking these kids most active are high school age or very early 20s.

In terms of their worth as proletariat, most gang members as they age do start to get disillusioned with the American system. They can see the crack forms, and they will sometimes spout revolutionary rhetoric, granted it’s never acted upon, sometimes they’ll do charity to give back to their hood. But due to the way the American education system works, and how shitty the continually defunded public school systems are, they can’t quite understand the reality and you can’t blame them. The super structure is complex as fuck, and there’s a bunch of nuances to it that can’t all be explained in one sitting. I’ve been a socialist for 2 years and I’m still learning shit every week if not every day. Let alone actual leftist theory. Imagine getting the prison industrial complex’s role in capitalism explained to you when you’re 17 and hopped up on prescription opioids. This is compounded by the fact that if they were to start getting woke, CoIntelPro and similar programs would bust up the organization of communities. You see what they do when we just protest Police brutality, imagine if we had 80s level gang organization pushing anti-capitalist rhetoric? And there’s not a big enough movement in the current leftist activism for real leaders to emerge like they could in the 60s during the civil rights movement. Most actual activism that is remotely left leaning lies with identity politics anyway, and can result in spooky bullshit assuming a leader did emerge and wasn’t killed by the FBI.

It is important to note however, that due to their roots in the civil rights era, many gangs did originally have leftist ideologies backing them. Earlier in the thread, the Latin King Manifesto was mentioned. Most gangs from that era have similar manifestos, and while it’s not used very often anymore (may not even be taught, idk) they are very interesting reads and can/could’ve been the basis to build class consciousness to them. I’ve not read them in a while, so I’m rusty on their exact details though, but you can find them online if you dig deep enough. It’s also interesting that a lot of gangs in The 5 use interesting symbolism that is also used by the political far left although it could be coincidental (common colors are Red sometimes paired with Black, the use of the 5 pointed star, the literal use of the “left” to identify yourself eg throwing gang signs with the left hand, hat tilted to the left, bandana in the left pocket)

A final note, while I’m not certain, what I understand of most other cities is that the idea of the Shot Caller in the suburbs with a Rolls Royce is mostly a rarity, likely propped up by commercial hip hop.

TL;DR- niggas, at least in Chicago, got revolutionary potential, they just need proper social leaders and to stop popping pills.

Thanks for your insight. There's real revolutionary potential in gen z. They just need a push in the right direction for it to be radicalized. Most gen z I know are usually anarcho liberals if they're not conservatives. The generation as a whole knows shit is fucked up but they don't yet think they have any power to change it. No matter their differences in political views basically everyone hates boomers. With talk you hear between millennials and gen z you'd think there's a boomer genocide coming soon.

i thought the surrenos hated black people though, while the nortenos were cool with them

Informative and cool posts like yours are why I still come here.

Maybe in Cali and the prison system? But Not in my neighborhood, they kept to themselves and were cool with us, up until another Latin gang (Maniac Latin Disciples) moved in.

Since the Surenos and my friends were mainly focused on the drug market to cope with poverty, we didn’t really bother each other, there was enough money to go around and supplement day jobs. The apartment complexes were basically surrounded on all sides by white suburbs, and we all went to school with affluent white kids too, so it was just free money. Very interesting example of the geographic effects gentrification on suburbs.

However, the MLDs viewed both groups as opps, and seemed more interested in gang banging as a lifestyle. So they immediately turned to violence and aggression. I don’t exactly blame them either. They were still adherent to the older gang structure of the People/Folk split, and Surenos being neutral to that, idk why they hated each other but they were. Regardless, when violence between my friends and the MLDs started, it attracted a lot more police attention than previously. And the Cook County Sheriff basically rode through the neighborhood everyday as it was, so now with shoot outs every week, shit got very hot. This plus their already existing beef the MLDs and some possible mental breakdown issues from one of the OGs of the Surenos (his street name was “Monster” but I didn’t know him super well) prompted him to call the Sureno click to just try and kill everyone. I was already evicted when it got to this point, so I had my own issues to worry about elsewhere, but from what I understand Monster was arrested in some sort of police bust. They found a bunch of guns in the car with him and some of his homies, and Monster deported. My friend Shadoe4 told me this happened right down the street from where he and some of my other friends were standing, so he may have actually planned to do a drive by right then and there, but that’s just second hand info for me, I never verified.

I was telling this story stream of conscience, I didn’t notice all the typos and grammar errors lmao.

yeah all the stories i heard about them fighting with black people are either in here in cali, or in prison.

I've read somewhere cant remember where that a lot of modern American street gangs formed in the power vacuum that arose after the destruction of the Black Panther Party, is this true?

Fucking why?
From everything ive seen the crips just want to throw parties and sell drugs and the bloods just want to murder crips.

As for the better-known site at Kafr Kanna, Dr McCollough is sceptical.
“When tourists visiting Israel today are taken to Cana, they are taken to Kafr Kanna,” he said.
“However, this site was not recognized as a pilgrimage site for those seeking Cana until the 1700s.
“At this point the Franciscans were managing Christian pilgrimage and facilitating easy passage rather than historical accuracy.”
Dr McCollough believes the discoveries at Khirbet Qana could even bolster the case for the historicity of the Gospel of John.
He said: “Our excavations have shown that this was in fact a thriving Jewish village located in the heart of much of Jesus’ life and ministry.
“For the Gospel of John, Cana is in some ways, Jesus’ safe place or operational centre. It is a place he and his disciples return to when they encounter resistance in Judea.
“I would argue our excavations warrant at least a reconsideration of the historical value of John’s references to Cana and Jesus.”

Reactionary heirarchial groups of violent, coked up byproducts of capitalism