Anti-White Politics is anti-Revolutionary Nonsense

So pretty!

I don't disagree with him, but weird that a guy who recommends Sakai on his website is so outspoken about this stuff.

Who the fuck even is Sakai? Like how can you write such an "influential" book yet leave literally no trace to who you are?

For all we know it could have been written by the CIA to cause tension.

When are you reactionaries gonna switch over to his superior brother's channel for your Marxist entertainment?

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There's an interview with him from 2003 on K Pacifica radio but I've found almost nothing else showing that he is a real person:
soundcloud.com/decolo/j-sakai

Interesting how that one book he wrote close to 40 years ago seems to become a topic of interest every time there's a republican in office.

I do actually believe the ☭TANKIE☭ conspiracy theory that he's crypto-fash. He thinks that Hitler was the most radical politician of the 20th century and the left has been unable to properly deal with his legacy, that mein kampf is a "rip-roaring read", reps NOI, argues that Taiwanese peasant support for the KMT prove the radical roots of fascism etc.

He also quotes Khrushchev to own Stalin and the settler-tards of the interwar/WWII CPUSA.

I think he's a bad historian on top of all that. His proof that there never really was a white proletariat is that the US had higher wages and better working conditions than much of Europe in the 19th century but even Argentina and Brazil had higher wages than Spain and Italy believe it or not.
But there are many, many other mistakes and mischaracterizations in that book.

Not everyone may know this but the MTW and the "read Settlers" meme really started with MIM which was formed at Harvard in 1980. Their founder was a self-admitted associate of Barrack Obama who taught sociology at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. He pretty much embarrassed the party by namedropping former comrades on his blog and claiming that he was the victim of a "lynching" due to multiple rape allegations against him. He accused Barrack Obama of orchestrating this plot against him but never really explained what Obama's motive was beyond some kind of intimation that he may have sabotaged his reformist campaign. Pretty spooky stuff.

Was Henry Park a real person? It seems so, his academic work was actually published in the 80s and his blog seems too crazy to be a 100% CIA-job. That being said, I've only been able to find one picture alleged to be him and almost nothing verifying that he actually died. Pretty odd for a man who hangs out with future US presidents and crafts the revolutionary ideology of the 21st century.

Some pretty strong evidence has been provided here that LLCO, or at the very least their former leader, are COINTELPRO. Since the LLCO came out of MIM I think its worth considering whether it was also a former police operation.

I think it should be noted that while Sakai still has quite a bit of currency in TWist there's a difference between Sakai's position (no white proletariat) and TWism (no 1st world proletariat at all, of whatever skin color)

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Huh. Interesting. I don't know one way or the other, but there was an interesting article the other day in Jacobin interviewing some guy who had been involved in the communist movement for awhile, and he was like "leftists have long assumed the feds can't fake theory, or can't fake sounding like leftists convincingly enough that other leftists buy into it, but actually they very much can."

"Settler-colonialism" is a very important concept. It helps to explain why Israel and America have such strangely similiar domestic political mileaus. It also helps us understand why american "proles" are so very much behind their western european counterparts with respect to their political consciousness. However Sakai himself is/was a fucking tard. Ethnonationalism is a dead end for leftism. Also black and chinese americans (to name a few significant non-white ethnicities in the US) were intimately involved in american internal-colonization. Thus the idea that all non-whites in the new world are somehow on the same side is laughable.

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Was it Aaron J. Leonard? He had a pretty good book called "Heavy Radicals: The FBI's Secret War on America's Maoists" where he details that Feds would try to make an anti-revisionist line look like a revisionist line so that people would get into pointless fighting and purity spiraling. Feds literally had children and got married to people they met in the activist scene.

Of course, Douglas Lain, as always, comes in with the worst take possible on that book. He argued that McCarthyism and Maoist paranoia about the G-man stem from the same root a la Zizek's "even if its true a jealous husband is pathological" but Leonard's argument was not that suspicion undid the Maoist scene but that infiltration and subversion did far more damage than is typically assumed.

Jesus Christ, maybe I'm just 30 yo boomer but how do you kids actually handle twitter? That was a fucking toxic waste-drenched dumpster fire…

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I'm admittedly fairly sympathetic to this. First world people have to host a daily oppression olympics to see who has it the worst. Meanwhile Bengali kids dig through piles of trash for their sustenance. Wonder who has "nothing to lose but their chains"?

Ah yes it was! Link: jakkkobinmag.com/2018/08/fbi-infiltration-new-left-aoki-sds

One interesting thing is how the FBI issued instructions to their informants in the SDS to vote with the more militant types because they could be marginalized much more quickly.

This is most certainly still going on.

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I'm not a fan of Sakai but if anything this only backs him up, Brazil and especially Argentina are and were settler-colonial states, today Argentina is whiter than the US.

This is why the whole settler-colonial meme sucks ass, all of the New World is technically settler-colonial when you get down to it but there's quite a difference between how socialists should think about Panama and the US, or Cuba and the US–especially when the US is waging wars against those countries.

The main contradiction is imperialism and not some abstract idea about abolishing the legacy of colonialism. If someone were to come out and say "abolish Brazil" or "abolish Mexico" because they were founded by European colonizers and have large populations of European descendants, I would say that is not only a divisive slogan but also an imperialist slogan.

Perhaps, doesn't it make more sense, that higher wages in Brazil and Argentina is better explained by a relative lack of labor rather then some abstract idea of benefits conferred automatically onto the white working class there? They never would have came in the first place if there wasn't higher wages and likewise, if there wasn't a labor shortage there, there wouldn't be relatively high wages; one of the reasons for slavery in Brazil and the rest of the Americas was a critical lack of labor-power in comparison to Europe. European labor actually competed directly against slave-labor in late 19th century Brazil and free-labor was found to be more profitable, so I'm not sure how the claim that these wages were the result of settler-colonial privileges really holds.

Isn't it also worth pointing out that in spite of whatever "white privilege" that South American whites may have had, their countries still sank into colonial status with colonial wages like the rest of the region? Lenin noted at the turn of the 20th century that Argentina was a British semi-colony and at that time it had relatively high-wages by world standards–I think that suggests that low wage rates are by no means the determining factor of determining whether a nation is oppressed by imperialism.

The US definition of what's "white" is essentially still more-or-less the one-drop rule. So, I'm not sure I actually believe this. But let's say that this is true, there are far more benefits of being white in the US than there is in Argentina. And to wit, I don't think there's anything wrong with Argentinians being "white" they are obviously oppressed by imperialism.

I mean the settler-colonial academic gurus keep churning out papers and books about Asian settler-colonialism in Hawaii, for instance, but rarely seem to be saying much of importance about modern imperialism instead of the vestiges of colonialism.

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America is settler-colonialist though.

All of the New World is technically "settler-colonialist" try being consistent for once in your life. The key difference between America * and Argentina is that America is an imperialist power whereas Argentina is not.

Hot Take :

In the first world / west accusing someone of "Anti-Wh.ite" Racism is usually just a fucking dogwhistle from CryptoFash to defame someone for opposing segregation or spooky "Free-Association" as they have begun to label it or not believing in deporting all browns or some shit

Actual people who hate whites in the west like La Raza Movements or NOI or some shit etc are less then 1% of the population and basically just RadLib cults with 10 members each

TLDR :
Jason's a fool for playing the Zig Forumsyp tier idiots who watch Hims's game

hmmm…no, I don't buy this. Just because they are small in number doesn't mean they aren't influential. Just look at the Twitter thread its a dumpster fire of radlibs competing over who can screech "kill whitey!" in the edgiest way possible. If you type "white people" into google you can see that anti-w.hite rhetoric is pretty mainstream now; lib capitalists have figured out that its a pretty effective means of dividing the working class and diverting anger from the system onto "white people" as a collective–I think its also worth mentioning that it helps fascist groups recruit.

I think Jason is right for this reason, if you spend your time catering to anti-w.hite loons who you admit is a rather small part of the population then you are gonna severely handicap yourself when it comes to how many white workers you can recruit. People who engage in this type of rhetoric are LARPers and/or liberals and not revolutionaries. The lack of a serious response to Jason's point on twitter shows we have all too many of this type and if you want to avoid picking up these types in the future then you might want to avoid the deeply triggering and problematic stuff altogether.

*anti-w.hite

Neogaf bans you if you like Stalin because he apparently "colonized" Siberia.

What

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oh NOW you want to pander to wypipo when you realize PoC boons to society hate you all equally even if you're a "white ally" cuck and want to eat you alive in the town square

well tough luck pal, the ship sailed long ago

animosity forever FUCK all PoC boons to society

you were way funnier when you just posted about "b.aboons in zoos" and didn't try to engage in actual discussions

bye bye

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Resetera (Neogaf nowadays) does not like ☭TANKIE☭s. Killing kulaks is fine but Stalin did the unthinkable… colonize indigenous lands (Siberia).

They were already colonized by the Tsars centuries ago though. The Soviets gave unprecented freedom and self-determination to colonized minorities of Russia…

freedom? they weren't even allowed to travel freely. the based ussr kept those inferior mongoloids in their place via their internal passport system hail Stalin

forgot flag

Nope. Sorry. The USSR colonized Siberia so you get the ban-hammer.

This is the result of your mind being on MUH SETTLER-COLONIALISM does.

despacito

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There's no reason why White People should be allowed to be part of the revolution. They have always been the oppressors. They are the enemy.

Wait…Jason Unrue is a REACTIONARY? Holy shit…who knew

Idpol off my socialism

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i feel they should have gotten rid of this as soon as the security situation allowed

go back to reddit

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All those Twitter comments are trash

where did this garbo self serving "racism is privilege plus power" meme come from anyway

Jason took my golden fleece

so Jesus and Satan were in a programming contest and they are programming away. a lightening storm happens and the computers go down in the CS lab. Satan asks Jesus why is he so happy when they have both lost all their work. Jesus replies,
Jesus saves."

Dude stop necro bumping shit.
This is a really coward way of disrupting board activity. Spam bullshit at the front pagr

no white people or cis people or straight people or christians or atheists allowed here.

We also don’t allow momey

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