How could anyone call themselves a communists knowing it atrocities, even using the lowest numbers deaths go in the tens of millions
Atrocities
Jackson Barnes
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Brandon Diaz
just a daily reminder to anyone hoping to reply to this thread, that the only reasonable response to this "muh gorillions" argument is "they deserved it". only ever discuss it in a critical light amongst other leftists, never give an inch of ideological ground to capitalist who argue only in bad faith.
Eli Collins
Rightists aren't people, so technically communists have killed no people.
Carter King
It's like whining about all the egyptian children that God killed while ignoring the far greater number of jewish children that the egyptians killed for years prior to their exodus from Egypt.
Nolan Bennett
because we haven't killed enough. we won't stop until every aryan woman and child are culled in a nuclear holocaust.
Cameron Ramirez
What about the peasants in Russia, Cambodia, Vietnam, & China
Evan Cox
All of those revolutions were overwhelmingly supported by the peasants though what the fuck are you talking about?
William Williams
Liam Hernandez
calling yourself a communist is not the same thing as approving of everything every other self-proclaimed communist did. how is it so difficult to get this through rightards' thick skulls?
Brayden Cox
How do you think a revolution happen?
How can a revolution succeed without supporters?
Ryder Allen
Adrian Jenkins
Very easy, in fact. You see, calling something an "atrocity" is merely a question of purely subjective assessment. If you think about it, you don't dislike communism because it committed atrocities. You classify some events as atrocities of communism because you dislike it.
Here is an example. Capitalist corporate media talked non-stop about Soviet Union's and Red China's plagues of Hunger - which were, of cause, caused by Communism. But they Completely ignore the very same events happened in the same time frame happening on the regular both in those countries (Just before the victory of revolution), Europe (Irish famine) and third world nations (too much to even list) on the regular.
It is obvious that "atrocities" is not an argument at all. In fact, reactionaries did the very same thing (and some braindead cretins do that still) in regards to liberalism, after the French Revolution was crushed.
Nolan Flores
he's talking about the peasants in those countries… getting killed off. I can't speak much about cambodia, vietnam and china, but it is incredibly stupid to try and deny that something went seriously wrong in the way the russians treated the peasants in the early 1930s
Wyatt Jones
Are saying because they supported communism they in no why would be harmed by its system?
Easton Rogers
If you could provide any resources for these claims I would greatly appreciate it.
Chase Mitchell
Any movement can very easily turn against their supporters
Landon Kelly
Sause
Juan Hall
I guess I should make it known considering the replies I am not capitalist.
Luke Walker
1.You are right I do dislike communism.
2.The holodomor, great leap forward, the killing field created by Khmer Rouge, pitesti experiments, and the cultural revolution weren't famine they were designed to kill and get rid of people the government's didn't like.
Angel Russell
Which is merely your preference to classify them as such, borne from dislike of communism. As we do not dislike communism, those things do not bother us.
Holodomor and Great Leap Forward and cultural revolution weren't designed to kill anyone. They were emergency responses to the enviromental and systematic problems and crises faced by the respective nations, and finally overcame by them, as both Russian and Chinese Communists created and abundance of food for their people and solved the threat of famine forever.
Khmer Rouge was a failed state, supported by Capitalist block, and there are 100 times more Capitalist failed states than communist ones.
It should be clear for you, that you simply "pardon" the (100s times bigger) casualties of reactionary Liberalism as "just natural causes" and explicitly pin casualties of Communism as deliberately caused.
Andrew Smith
No, they don't. All the communist countries had huge increases in life expectancy and steady population growth, this is impossible if "tens of millions" of people are dying unnaturally, on top of the millions of natural deaths.
Easton Cruz
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Maybe I've been looking at the wrong sources. could you provide me yours?
Andrew Brooks
That just shows how disastrous the restoration of capitalism was for most of the eastern bloc
Charles Rodriguez
Thomas Murphy
Your article is retarded
THis quote alone shows this:
"In 2016, it (life expectancy in Russia) reached 72 years – the highest level ever."
Except that these statistics are demonstrably false considering the fact that these statistics are unchecked and were performed by hte Russian government which is currently initiating Pension Reforms that are raising the pension age by a significant amount based on said information.
Jonathan Baker
Your post is retarded
this quote alone shows this
"Labor productivity decreased in 54 of the 86 NAICS 4-digit manufacturing industries, while 3 of the 4 mining industries experienced gains in 2017. "
Except that these statistics are demonstrably false considering the fact that these statistics are unchecked and preformed by the American Government which is currently something with producing products and selling them.
Juan James
*currently doing something about it by producing products and selling them
Jackson Hall
Ты долбаёб?
False equivalency.
The statistic for a 72 average in Russia is not checked by anything and demonstrably false considering the fact that liing conditions have been steadily worsening in the Russian Federation.
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Lincoln Martin