Get ready bois!

I don't even watch the videos, I just listen to them because I think contra has interesting shit to say about the alt-right and their fellow travelers.

That's exactly why I love her. She helped me to get rid of homo/transphobia and the last bits of latent Zig Forumstardedness in my head. I feel so happy right now

so it's actually possible to completely spit out the """"""""""red"""""""""" pill

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try harder,
she's no Marxist but she's on the right track, only thing i don't like about her is that some of her jokes don't hit but over all she's a cool culture critique. What i don't understand is why isn't this thread on

Have you seen what they post in /leftytrash/? I'm afraid to go there. And tomoko-stache is very annoying

Tell that to the erping spammers.
I don't want to go in there, it's a fucking wasteland

Tell that to the avatar fagging erp spammers.
That place became a biohazard

BO should make a //leftytrash/trash/.

Oh I totally agree, that's why I keep bumping this thread.

Contra might be a radlib, but I still think she’s good at recruiting people to our cause; I’ve always considered people like her, Hbomberguy, Shaun, etc. to be good gateway drugs into the more radical sphere of leftist YouTubers, and to left wing philosophy in general.
Also, Tiffany Tumbles is kino and there’s nothing any of you can say to convince me otherwise, even if mouthfeel memes are getting pretty stale.

I think I would've notice a bear in the videos…

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we are in the Kali Yuga I hope you all understand this

this to be honest

LMAO so THAT’S why he lights his videos like a strip club!

These threads are a Zig Forums psyop to make us look like liberals.

C'mon, where is the new video??

frig off, she's my waifu

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youtube.com/watch?v=z1afqR5QkDM

My asshole is ready!

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YEEESS!!! Ebin :DDD
youtu.be/L1FoVpIFUY8?t=883

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lel

THE LEFT WILL ABIDE A REGAL QUEER

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disgusting mentally ill man. thought leftypol was gender critical.

Zig Forums isn't anything

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Gender is unironically a spook comrade.

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Maintaining gender roles set by past society's mostly around inheritance and approved social interaction between the sexes instead of critically analyzing the role of how gender roles appeared and how people who don't particularly fit into the rigid slave society definitions of such vague terms as "gender" or gender roles is actually existing socialism.

If a trans person looks like a women gets treated like a woman is legally a woman,faces domestic violence like a woman,acts like a woman,dressers like a woman,passes as a woman,faces sexism like a woman and even get raped like a woman then they are a Woman.
Gender ≠ Sex
Scary meme invented to freak out people, like rapists in bathrooms or terrorist immigrants. An absolute tiny minority over publicized for headline click bait on the daily mail.

These creatures get the gulag

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I try to avoid arguing "trans women are real women". It always degrades to a retarded sex=gender discussion with uneducated retards. When discussing with unread edgy suburbanites such as I much prefer arguing that for all intents and purposes, trans women act, feel, etc women, but are under no illusion that they are biological women, and neither is anybody involved. trans, like the rest of LGBT, have existed since forever, are not contagious, it is not a choice, and by itself (without bigotry) history shows that overall, a sexual identity has little impact on how functional people are in society. so, basically, if you want to think it is a mental disease, it makes no sense to judge them for it, because 1. it is not a choice, 2. it doesn't affect you, 3. it is in many ways a superficial feature. I think this could be more eloquent, but I have to sleep.

You guys are turning me into a nazi. Stop

If all it takes for you to abandon the working class is a bunch of trannies saying things you don't like, then I'm guessing you were going to be a worthless comrade anyway.

The video explicitly strawmans the catgirl character as a strawman guilty of whatever essentialism.

Gender essentialism is countered with an observation that gender roles are a performance. Then it is also stated that since gender role is a performance, it has a basis in doing, not being. Which is not that far from gender nihilism, and saying that there are 0 genders, only various performances.

Identity essentialism is countered with observation that there is no communication channel for the inner truth to be broadcasted out and verified as inner truth. So for all intents and purposes, the inner truth is just bunch of words circulating in mind. It has no substance, unlike the physical organism made of matter.

You can follow it with observation that any essentialism is usually the remnant of the belief in the immortal soul. Some people hold on to religious delusions despite formally rejecting religion. Modern science gives a sufficient explanation for an existence of mind, there is no need for a concept like a soul.

There are also some videos by the citizen Parrot that go over the explanations of trans people. A lie told to religious people like they have female soul trapped in male body. Just to put it in their language.

tl;dr: Essentialism is idealistic garbage

and this is why idpol in general should end you with a bullet to the head

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cringe

get some actual friends to do your faggy dress up plays with you weirdo deviant

britannica.com/topic/Federal-Reserve-System

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warburg

youtube.com/watch?v=ySVGAS9JkPY

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I don't think so. It's true that men have experienced attraction to men, and women to women, throughout history, although "gay" and "lesbian" are modern identities.

People have been socially placed or forced into male and female social roles occasionally, outside of one's sex (although using these categories of sex and gender as separate for understanding how previous societies functioned is itself shot through with ideology), but the phenomenon of individually identifying and therefore psychologically and socially being a woman or man instead of one's born sex is almost nonexistent until the 20th century. It isn't a transhistorical and cross-cultural phenomenon in general, and certainly not one in the contemporary form.

Much of this going back into history to find one's identity group is merely engaging in a sort of misapprehension, using contemporary ideas about identity to interpret various different cultural phenomena and bolster those very same contemporary ideas.

Gender is not a word that actually exist outside of the anglosphere, stop forcing it

Lmao. Go fuck yourself. You wouldn't defend a single mom who wants bigger boobs

While I agree our current understanding of LGBT as identities shrouds our understanding on the true nature of the phenomenons, it does not invalidate that LGBT, in other shapes and forms, have existed since forever.
My point is that saying whether a trans woman is a ""real woman"" is irrelevant. The trans phenomenon exists in more contexts than the one we live in now, as you say, and some trans even deny the whole gender binary. The current expression of LGBT is temporary, but the underlying phenomenon is not.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

Graham, is that you?

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I am critical of gender, its a spook.
Im not "gender critical" as in a codeword for anti-tranny.

I cannot watch videos from contrapoints.
If I wanted someone to dress up in retarded costumes and constantly say "oh remember how trans I am" I would go to a pride parade.

Not true. Trans people were considered more spiritually enlightened and free in Native American tribes.

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Hi. I see we have a large amount of newfag MLs who recently turned left after being nazis. Just posting a reminder that Zig Forums isnt about completly denying trans people or social issues, but rather believing the root main issue of it all is capitalism. Quit being fucking idiots. Also the board owner is a transwoman, even if she is a lunatic who shot this board in the foot a while ago

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what the FUCK did she mean by this

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I hesitate calling it "he". The men obviously won't accept "him" as a man, while women would not think "he" is a woman, but you have to pretend for some reason that "he" is "she".
Man, first worldists are weird.

everytime go back to reddit you colossal fucking shit

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Inauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk Science

medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b

Tolerating open transphobia is one thing that makes this board different from other leftist internet forums and is also a good way of weeding out red liberals like yourself
>>>Zig Forums is that way

Nobody would care about trans issues if there would not be any retards that argue "a mentally ill guy with dick chopped who is using HRT" == a real woman, (using hundreds of equivocations on sex, then on gender, then on spectrum etc), which is the main point of idiots like you.

The thing about this place was we dont completely fall in line with either side of idpol. Not caring about it and just doing whatever. Not immediarely falling for conservative idpol you mong.

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Good job completely misrepresenting my point you stupid fuck. The point was that lecturing people because they say something transphobic makes you look just like the American liberal college kids you claim you aren't.

If you want to debate with the anti-trans gang or whatever have at it but don't go full "ummmm transphobia is like cancelled yikes transphobes like totally pls go" like you did in your butthurt ass post.

If you don't care then try not to get so triggered over it you liberal faggot

BO isn't even a tranny lol, back to Zig Forums with ye

You fucking shitlords, do you agree with her main point or not? Namely that simply being oneself requires a certain effort

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The dude hasn't even had surgery yet and you're calling him a woman? Just because he crossdresses? Fucking hell.

Get this fucking liberal shit off here, got enough freaks on this board (Inb4 stalin mustache tranny).

MUH SOCDEMS WE NEED MORE SUCDEMS WE NEED MORE OBFUSCATION.

YES!

BECAUSE THE LAST 100 YEARS OF COMPROMISING AND SOCDEM CUNTERY ISN'T PROOF ENOUGH THAT SOCDEMS STEER PEOPLE AWAY FROM MARXISM AND -DOESN'T- MAKE THEM A MARXIST!

Fucking kys.

Fuck i HATE THIS MEME. Those people will STAY in their radlib circles, they will NOT progress into become further "left". That's the entire point of the radical liberal agenda, to set the boundaries of acceptable discourse. They sound edgy enough to be novel yet anything beyond them is classed as "conspiracy theory" and "crazy".

Sure it may work the other way round with sargon to the alt-right, but the world isn't a clean dichotomy where the left/right operate the same just with different principles.

Radlibs aren't comrades, but they tend to be easier to radicalize. They won't NECESSARILY progress from radlib to socialism, but convincing them is a hell of a lot easier than convincing a Clinton fag. I started as a succdem Bernie bro myself.

There comes a point in here video where tabby mentions that there are gender noncomforming women and the other girl handwaves this point away by saying
A sentiment that got a lot of attention in the comments. Here i've highlighted what seems to be the point of ideological hangup these phrases like "thats how things are" "how its always been" etc, should be familiar to anyone whos had to argue with anti-communists.

Now i'm not a trans person so I feel dirty even commenting on this but I observe a sort of parallel here between the reform vs revolution arguments within economic theory. Do you compromise with whatever powers that be to reform these societal privileges to widen the umbrella to include more? Or have a proper revolution and change "how things work" at their most fundamental?

The second is a much tougher choice because popular perceptions ultimately, like everything in our society, are under the control of capital.

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Except the entire video Contra just put out is a massive strawman against dialectical materialism and radical Leftists. She says this stupid bullshit unironically in the first 5 minutes
Her buddies Lindsay Ellis and Hbomberfaggot have done similar shit in recent videos they made about capitalism and socialism, referencing "muh stalin muh 60000000 gorillion dead kulaks" to boot

Oh it shows user, it shows

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hope contra reads this cause i know she's a lurker here. True radical change is possible today. Don't compromise after letting yourself be blackmailed by a false binary choice. Abolish the idea of social standing entirely

I've come to learn that if you're anti USSR then you're just another liberal in sheep's clothing. Even worse, you'll be on the side of reaction when the time comes, not that petty-booj e-celebs would ever join a genuine workers struggle to begin with.

this entire thread is cancer reading too much into really ridiculous shit
even a tranny can just wear comfy stuff and look messy, that doesnt change anything about your femininity or identity
what a dumpster fire, good grief

Political art is shit

t. someone who's actually seen contemporary political art

What are you gonna say to that? Huh? Check and mate!

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Except she said 'politicizing art" not "make political art" as if we retroactively polticize all art or as if that's part of commie aesthetics in the first place

She literally acts like what Walter Benjamin said about fascism and aesthetics is the opinion of all commies when it's really a minority

Art is already political though, as are most things. The art you produce betrays your class and material conditions. Not everyone has the spare time to create art, so most art that is pleasant looking is because the middle class artists who create it live easy, pleasant lives.

But that's my point. Contra acts like communists have some big opposition to this line on art but if anything it's the opposite. Most commies I've ever known both IRL and on the Internet were indifferent to art and almost never brought it up

Even in the Wiki article, the forms of "transgender" in history were specifically cultic functions and rituals and had nothing to do with one individually identifying oneself as having been born another gender. As I said, this isn't so much finding transgender identity as it is fabricating a past to find one's "self" using modern ideas about identity and attributing those ideas to the past through labeling various events as "transgender."

I agree that it's irrelevant insofar as "woman" is a word, thus merely what a society considers it to be collectively.

We disagree on what the underlying phenomenon is, and you're conflating quite a few different things in the modern mash-up of gender identities embedded in "LGBT." I would not agree that the same phenomenon underlying the identities "gay" and "lesbian," which is mostly male-to-male and female-to-female attraction respectively, underlies the transgender phenomenon in general.

The conflation of the Native American "two spirit" idea and modern "transgender" idea is exactly what I meant when I mentioned that going back into history to find an identity group results in comprehensive misapprehension of the thing in question.

It presupposes that the two phenomena have the same fundamental cause in something physical, namely some part of the brain, when it's unclear whether it (prior to the 20th century) had anything to do with a particular individual's belief about his or her own gender rather than the result of certain cultural ideas about the expression of masculine and feminine activities and behaviors (as regarded by those cultures) within individuals.

A Gender Critical (GC) position is a metaphysical position about what a woman is. Here is one position held by many radical feminists. It holds that what it is to be a woman is to have a certain biological and reproductive nature, involving female sex organs and a female reproductive system, and to be economically, socially, politically, and sexually oppressed on that basis. This view therefore concludes (for reasons I have also outlined elsewhere, here and here, and which I do not know yet whether I endorse), that transwomen, though fully in possession of all basic human rights (obviously!), and also deserving of respectful treatment as if they are women in many social contexts, are not in fact women. Simply put: they don’t have the required biology, nor do they have the required history of oppression on the basis of that biology.

In contrast, there are those metaphysical positions which argue that transwomen are women. These usually argue that women’s biologies and reproductive capacities are not essential to their nature as women. People with penises and testicles and no female reproductive characteristics can be women.

Since I began to read up about this dispute, and started to write about it, I’ve been exposed to a lot of arguments, usually online, whose aim is to show that any GC position is not only wrong but bad, morally speaking. It seems to me that many of these arguments are not convincing. This isn’t to say that there are no good arguments against a GC position, but only that the ones I typically see aren’t particularly compelling. It’s also striking how difficult it seems for some people to see for themselves how unconvincing these arguments are, in the heat of the negative emotions, toxicity, and defensiveness that tend to accompany discussion.

What makes a TW a woman?

“TW have female brains, and this is what makes them women”.
We don’t identify who is a woman, and who isn’t, on the basis of brain scans, and nor, I suggest, are we ever likely to.

“TW are women because they like and/or are good at doing ‘feminine’ things (e.g. long shiny hair, ‘girly’ fashion, make up, the colour pink, a ‘femme’ aesthetic, cooking, cleaning, crying, dancing, being sexually passive etc. etc.)”.
Liking ‘feminine’ things can’t be a necessary condition of being a woman, because so many women don’t like ‘feminine’ things, and they are still unambiguously women, Everybody knows this, or should do. Equally there are many men who like those very same things.

“TW are women because they have body dysphoria and feel like they are in the wrong body”
It is not true that TW are actually “in the wrong body’” in any medically recognised sense. The best sense to be made of the talk of “being in the wrong body” is that people with dysphoria are miserable with the bodies they have, and that this is severely impeding their living the lives they want. This seems obviously true and is to be highly regretted. But this in itself doesn’t make males with body dysphoria women

“If you make biology and reproduction essential to womanhood, you are doing nothing more than ‘fetishizing body parts’. In fact, female biology and reproduction are only contingent features of womanhood. Not all women have them.”
This is an implication of the view that says transwomen are women. Now, for most women-who-aren’t-transwomen, it’s central to their sense of self-identity that they’re women, not men. For many, it’s equally central to their self-identity that, as a woman, they have a female body. Women are socialised into the world as a certain kind of entity, with a certain kind of body, and taught to relate to themselves as such 

“Many transpeople indisputably suffer enormously from body dysphoria. You, a non-dysphoric woman-who-aren’t-transwoman, can’t imagine the suffering of feeling like you are born in the wrong body. If we can do something small to alleviate that suffering, by recognising and validating their status as women, shouldn’t we try do it?”
There are a number of relevant things to say here. The first is obviously, to acknowledge the intense pain of body dysphoria as absolutely tormenting. The second is to say that there are many types of severe and distressing unease, but we do not automatically act to change the world to fit the object of those feelings, in other case. Such change is not a given; there have to be good socially useful reasons for it. A third thing to say is that nonetheless, the intensity of body dysphoria is clearly one important factor to be considered; but that there are other feelings to take into account too.

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How?
Actually, most people have the time to create art. In fact, the best artists I know IRL are workers who chose to do something productive with their spare time.
"Pleasant looking" is subjective… The rest is a vulgar generalization of "most art"

It's a good article.>>2653713

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being mentally ill can be cured.
you cannot know how it feels to be in a different body because you never were in one.

also, I thought you can be a 100% man man and still be a woman if you "identify" as one, so, stop pandering to "sexual" what's the word…stereotypes or whatever the mentally ill are using.

We honestly should start banning ContraPoints (or any other youtube liberal) threads so that they are kept in /leftytrash/ where they belong.

ContraPoints and friends are all liberals, they aren't fucking socialists, they don't want to be socialists, and the more you tolerate and shill for their bullshit here the more liberal this board will become. I don't want this place to turn into fucking r/socialism faggots fucking stop your shit

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to suicide? lmao