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Why is ANY critique of AOC impermissible? Why is it impossible to not be absolutely faithful to her or other social democrats?
The truth is, AOC is a shitty politician lacking the intelligence and courage needed to represent the people. When asked a difficult question, her first reaction is to throw the palestinians under the bus, praise Mkkkain etc..
How do we stop liberals trying to appropriate the anti-establishment feeling growing in the US?
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Seder is a massive bootlicker hth
She's a socdem which to Americans is something spectacular.
She's making many mistakes because I think she does not receive proper council and her advisors are probably telling her to appeal to mainstream democratic values with some added so-called democratic socialist rhetoric to make her stand out.
I don't think anyone should rely on her as anything more than that, I personally just appreciate that American politics is starting to introduce leftist stuff again, I think seeing AOC as the vanguard of leftism is over reaching.
She isn't even a fucking socdem, she's just a cynical maneuver by the dems to attract more young people.
That may objectively be her function, but I really doubt she's a plant.
Oh trust me she knows EXACTLY what she's doing, she's not incompetent or naive, her father paid a quarter of a million dollars for her to major in Economics & Foreign Relations at one of the best Econ schools in America; her comments on Israel are carefully calculated to maker her seem bumbling in the moment.
Is there any actual credibility to this? I don't get what's so unfathomable about someone of her character and background getting involved in politics after American politics and class inequality are becoming significantly more apparent and shameless in the recent years.
Credibility to what? That she's not genuine in her beliefs?
Of course you're an anarchist.
Any credibility to the claim that she's a ploy of the democrats.
Did I not just write a paragraph about how she was a social democrat…….?
She endorsed Salazar whose father was "…a cargo pilot and a Colombian immigrant." HMMMM I WONDER WHAT HE WAS SHIPPING IN THOSE PLANES.
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These new socdem candidates are literally CIA.
Are you saying she's a plant? Even watered-down Socdems are shat on and obstructed by both the democratic party leadership and the majority of media outlets as being "radical" and "pie in the sky". She is a sellout, for sure, but she's also not a puppet…
Any proof I'd provide will just be called conspiratorial or illegitimate because it doesn't come from some mainstream rag.
I didn't read your earlier post because I tend to gloss over posts with your flag. Sorry.
…that's all you need to conclude that she's a CIA agent?
She endorsed someone who's father was a cargo pilot…?
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Take off that fucking flag already. What an embarrassment.
I'm probably a CIA agent, right?
No you're just a dumb fuck. Would require a few more Autism Level points to qualify as a cleaner for the CIA.
But it's impossible to fathom that maybe AOC is a dumb fuck?
Le bumbling american president meme.
George bush was our lovable idiot! He didn't mean to invade Iraq and kill half a million people. He's silly!
retard
Also I love how you managed to make a parellel between your low effort posts and naivety to someone who is actively campaigning around the clock and rehearsing her every TV appearance. Fucking idiot.
Parallel*
You think she just happened into her position randomly?
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. NO! I AM A RADICAL LEFTIST AND I SAY YOU ARE A CRAZY CONSPIRACY THEORIST! RIDE THE PROGRESSIVE WAVE!
Because they're actually just democrats engaged in the project of "redeeming" the democratic party in the eyes of burgers by appealing to them through succdems. Shits like Seder telling you not to criticize AOC is the exact same shit as the DNC telling you to stop criticizing Hillary.
Of course they have people working in many places, but that's not actually what they're saying here. They aren't saying they, for example, have agents working as museum curators, but that they have museum curators working for the CIA museum.
Undialectical.
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Agents, also referred to as CIA officers,
CIA officer precedes work as, if it said cleaners work at the CIA museum then they would have said that.
Are they stupid? Is the operator of the twitter a massive dumb dumb that can't create a structurally correct sentence?
Hmmm, how will you spin this I wonder?
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Myth: People who work for CIA are spies & agents.
Fact: US citizens who work for CIA are officers, not agents or spies. All employees, from operations to analysts, to librarians & public affairs, are considered CIA officers.
I was gonna write a post talking about how others on Zig Forums talked about Dem strategy & US politics and made very prescient remarks about things in the wake of election but I accidentally deleted my post, instead I'll just leave you with this: youtube.com
This guy has been known to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist and I can't quite pin down whether his politics are Socialist or not but his sources and articles seem to be legitimate, he often critiques "progressives" and "Social Democrats" within the Youtube Sphere.
Look, we have little definitive evidence that she's working at the CIA, it's all circumstantial - however that circumstantial evidence is substantial.
Judge a person by her actions:
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Yes I see that now, however it's stated almost everywhere else that CIA officers mean a very specific thing. I feel like that tweet is supposed to downplay what a CIA officer does by conflating them with average workers.
Not to mention that the Democrat Cops of America, who ocasio is representing, has its most prominent members being literal ex-CIA (Gloria steinman).
After all, are you believing the word of the CIA?
Leftists are screwed from ever having actual legit representation. AOC and Maddow are the best you'll get in the mainstream. And some washed up actress not named Susan Sarandon (the only cool one). Laugh at the Right all you want, but Trump is exactly what the base wanted. And the strange is, the shit that Leftists could actually work with him on will never happen either… because of "RESIST". He's voiced that he wanted to bring back Glass-Steagall, for example… but no one with any clout on the Dem's side will work with him and get the ball rolling. Warren is too busy making feeble calls for impeachment. No matter how bad you think he is, you have to be a retard to not see the potential in regulating the banks again.
From one of the comments to that article
This was obviously a response by the DNC to the whole Bernie running thing.
No, you're the one who used their tweet as a source.
Why would they feel the need to incriminate themselves further by saying they have influence everywhere?
If you fall for Ocasio then you deserve to be banned. Fuck you liberals.
They didn't though.. That was your misreading.
Show me a post in this thread that paints her in a positive light.
Google is not biased against the CIA, in fact it puts up favorable results for the organization.
Type "CIA officer" into google and see if there's a difference between CIA officer and agent.
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Job listings for CIA officers. Read their descriptions. This is what I mean earlier in the INTENTIONAL obscuring of what an Officer actually is.
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Try to find where they make the distinction between officer and agent. Try to find where it says that a CIA officer is a cleaner or something similar.
I have a really hard time figuring out what point you're trying to make here. They use the word "officer" about any position it seems, just like he said in the tweet.
My point is that they only used that amorphous definition for officer in THAT tweet alone. It's an attempt to throw cover for the fact the CIA DOES have people in almost all prominent institutions and sectors of society.
Obscure what an Officer means, proceed to say that yeah they are everywhere but as cleaners so no harm. You're telling the truth -technically- yet you don't need to admit that the officers, which are already well defined, are actually in places where they shouldn't.
The entire twitter thread is about disproving a conspiracy theory, in which they concede to the conspiracy in a round about way.
No… They use it constantly as you proved yourself. You're confused as fuck my dude.
Again, they did NOT say they have officers everywhere, they said they have many different professions working within the CIA.
I don't have twitter so I can't read the thread.
Where? I just posted two sources where Officer had NO difference to CIA AGENT, which normally meant they're engaged in intelligence gathering or similar.
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They LITERALLY state they have officers in all these sectors. My point is that they obscured Officer from what it originally meant, as highlighted with the above links, to mean innocuous careers. It's deflection. This is the CIA, do you have faith in the CIA not to not manipulate?
So how the fuck did you read the twitter thread earlier when you tried to rebut me?
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Okay you're just going to ignore everything I said thus far and repeat the same thing over and over again.
I'm gonna call it here.
You're going to leave, not call it. Good bye.
It's short of "call it a day".
No you're leaving, you're not calling anything. There's a difference. Goodbye coward.
lmao BTFO'd with facts and logic
I would help you, but you're a useful idiot, so I won't. I'm breddy comfy with the cianiggers fucking up your ops.
Reminder to not vote.
Thanks comrade Dore
Seder is a bottom of the barrel liberal who throws some socialism sauce on things to sound edgy. Zero-insight wannabe MSM talking head. Goof with no laughs.
< commies have a sense of humor
Commies are as retarded as neocon baby boomers and knuckle-dragging nazis.
Stay mad retard. Keep up with the conversation.
yikes bro, nice ableism…
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Reminder billionaires want you to vote. keeek what a revolutionary you are.
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Everything Sam said in this video is correct. If you want AOC to be some protest candidate who never gets anything done you can fuck off. If you think AOC can actually get anything done while alienating herself from mainstream democrat politics you're living in a fantasy world.
Imageboards are for mouth breathing retards who wear politics as a counter culture statement against their parents. They don't care about helping people, or trying to organize, they just want to feel moral indignation.
I went down this entire thread thinking it was about pedo rights lol.
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Same tbh
Hi Michael Brooks. We don't think AOC can get anything done even if she doesn't, but she's not alienated from Mainstream Democrat Politics in the first place lmfao you're deluded if you think she, even if she miraculously had the best of intentions isn't just being turned into a Sheepdog and PsyOp.
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Yeah I agree we should just grab our rifles and storm the whitehouse tomorrow, the proles will surely follow!
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wow you sure got me
Screaming this about any socdem who falters into liberalism is Qanon tier shit
You know what, now I wish Sam would get Parenti or Wolffe on his show now.
lesser evil is still less evil.
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Obama just endorsed that bitch too. She's not even a socdem at this point. Daily reminder that entryism in US political parties (especially the democratic party) does not work and will never work. The only way to take over the party is to become a big donor. That's who sets their agenda.
Progressive™ Democrat darling Andrew Gillum says "more must be done" against "brutal dictators" like Venezuelan President Maduro
cnn is ramping up their smear campaigns.
You have bad reading comprehension
I don't feel surprised at all.
She's like my dream girl, I wish I could turn her into an ML.
Liberals: not even once.
She's absolutely right, the left is making noticeable gains with American's and you retards sit on your asses bitching all day. You're nothing, but a poison to the left. Jimmy Dore isn't the Alex Jones of the left, he's the Alex Jones of the right.
This is kinda true. Ultimately until any of us actually put worth real strategies and ways to build a movement, you’re ultimately the back seat driver of a pivotal historical moment.
What fucking left are you talking about? The Democrat Cops of America and their ilk are fucking centrists.
If you truly believe this, you are not a leftist.
Doesn't matter you moron, they're opening up discourse for the left, and instead of attempting to form any organization, education, or to enter the political sphere yourselves, you instead rather sink into your chair.
You are just a tool to the right.
blow your brains out.
wew lad.
Define socialism
AOC is a Zionist.
She is, yet pretended to be for BDS while she was running. Then gave the whole "lol idk i just want peace bro! both sides!" when asked about it.
Salazar, another candidate the Democrat Cops of America fed to NYC, is even worse in this respect. Honestly, her whole career of political "activism" is indistinguishable from Ted Cruz, and her new identity as a socialist seems to be the latest mask of a life-long grifter.
The idea that they wouldn't shit on their own puppet is sweetie tier
Her Major was in Economics AND International Relations from a prominent Ivy League School, renowned for it's Orthodox Econ programme so just lol at anyone who thinks that she's uneducated enough to have a position on Israel and isn't actually a stealth Zionist
What noticeable gains? "Socialists" that endorse mainstream candidates without any quid pro quo?
AOC got nothing. Absolutely nothing for a blanket endorsement of every dem candidate that might be put on the ballot in November.
Or what about "anti-establishment" candidates (Andrew Gillum) supporting single payer healthcare, then immediately backing down? Or Sanders praising Bezos when the minimum wage rise was paid through tax cuts and a roll back of bonuses?
Socialism needs more than just discourse. It needs action. What AOC is doing is so inconsequential, it wouldn't have made any difference at this point if she hadn't been elected.
If all she's going to do is adopt the party line, renege on her election promises and endorse everyone the DNC puts forward, how is she in any way distinguishable from other mainstream candidates?
God forbid that socialism attracts some controversy.
If a candidate isn't controversial' and offensive'' to the status quo, chances are, they're not worth supporting.
Really, because as far as I fucking know people like Sanders and AOC have made Socialism enter popular discourse among the youth, and that the vast majority of the population fully supports most of its ideals. What election promises has she backed down on?
Didn't know that prior to the 2016 election that the democrats were fully supportive of medicare for all, raising the minimum wage, student debt, addressing climate change, criminal justice reforms, and housing for all. Not any of these issues were supported by the democrats prior to Bernie so shut the fuck up in trying to insinuate that she's "mainstream."
where is the proof?
If you want the anti-war candidates then start organizing efforts, and attempting to educate people on it, Trump's fucking campaign ran off the anti-war sentiment among the youth.
it isn't real leftism tho