I made the (pic related) shit post to rile up Zig Forums, but would a new socialist republic along the Mediterranean be possible, to offset the rising right wing nationalism in Europe?
It would be vaguely Neo-Ottoman in character, but it would unite the peoples of the Middle East, Southern Europe, and North Africa in a sort of federated socialist/communalist system - basically, self-managed communities, united only in preserving a cohesive trade system, partially militaristically. The idea is, they would feel some commonality through a common cultural history shared between different groups.
And yes, I realize this idea is much closer to fiction than reality.
Also, please excuse a couple vulgar, nasty terms I used in the pic - it was meant to resonate with them
Colton Gray
Eww
Chase Rogers
lol fair point - I was just playing with words there tbh
Cameron Harris
You know this is just LARPing right? Designing theoretical countries is fun and all but dont pretend like that's how real life works. Trying to force a conceptual nation-state into being is pure idealism.
Yeah. It would need the future to go in a very particular way - a particularly bad way, in which the extreme nationalists get their way, and I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen. However, I'm enjoying fleshing out this idea.
Jack Thompson
At best, you could maybe build some small life-stylist commune of a few hundred individuals, bunker down, and create some semblance of a community together. Such a commune would have absolutely no revolutionary potential because it would be isolated from the masses. Everyone in the commune would basically be admitting that capitalism is unbeatable, and all we can do is hide until it destroys itself. I can see that idea being an attractive escapist fantasy to doomers, but I couldn't help but think of anyone who does this a coward.
Kevin Lee
You're missing the empire part of it. The point is, it would actually have a fairly militaristic character in taking over the Mediterranean region. But once it's taken over the area, ideally with the help of the local communities it would promise power to, then it would allow the communities it unites to largely manage themselves and their own labor, united in the common cause of maintaining the empire. There's nothing isolationist or escapist about it.
In fact, this model is loosely based on the anarcho-syndicalist idea that you would have communities running things democratically, then working together to resolve issues democratically between each other. Only, of course, this version wouldn't be anarchistic.
Jackson Evans
would never work again, everyone in the balkans and the middle east hates t*urks
Would it be similar to pic related? I actually like the Ottomans, they weren't such a bad empire. I wish they could have persisted. It truly is unfortunate that the t*rks are the ones trying to represent the greatness of sultan abdulmejid and other great sultans.
I agree. The Ottoman Empire has a pretty incredible history, and I think that Bektashi Sufism might be the most interesting branch of Islam I've encountered. I also have heritage from the Caucuses, West Asia, Eastern Europe, and Western Europe, so on a selfish personal level, I feel I can identify with it somewhat. However, I'm pretty disgusted by Erdogan, and (and I know people are split on this) I am rather sympathetic to the one big US military base in Syria. I visited Turkey not too long ago, and there's a lot of the culture that's beautiful, but my experiences with the people were very polarized - some people were really nice, but I had an unusual number of bad encounters, and I've been to and lived in much rougher parts of the world.
Matthew Sanchez
also note that "one big US military bas in Syria" is a filter result for that Kurdish communalist experiment that's fighting ISIS and facing attacks from Turkey right now.
No! That was honestly just something I said to piss Zig Forums off. I actually think the world should pay a lot more attention to the Armenian genocide, because it's obvious that the Holocaust was modeled after it. They were literally loading Armenians in cargo trains and sending them to their deaths in the Saudi desert, shooting the men. Hitler even has a quote trying to justify the Holocaust, by mentioning that "nobody talks about what happened to the Armenians," or something to that effect. I think the denial of that genocide is one of the most disgusting things about Turkish policy, and it's probably me not understanding their politics well enough, but I don't fully understand why they don't just admit to it. I also actually don't understand why Jews don't make a bigger point about it, in part because of its connection to the Holocaust, and in part because as a religious minority, I imagine that jihad probably targeted them too, albeit on a vastly smaller scale - my only guess is that Jews aren't educated about it enough. Note that the German military helped the Turks conduct that genocide, and learned from it.
Andrew Davis
So why wouldn't NATO just kill everyone?
Brody Turner
That's certainly something to think about, but it's also an obstacle every socialist society needs to consider at this point.
Lucas Hernandez
Tupac Ameru Revolutionary Movement bitchass
Josiah Russell
They tried,and failed.As almost all the foquistas movements. And now Polay is in the Naval Base of Callao with Guzman and Montesinos.
Irrelevant, the point of that post was that you can have the name of a monarch in your socialist organization and retain its socialist character. If the EFF in South Africa changed their name to the Shaka Zulu Liberation Front the character of their politics would be the same.
Tyler Hernandez
Tru,but not everyday someone talks about the MRTA. I never knew that existed a Shaka Zulu Liberation front,what a good name!!
Ryder Baker
The reason MRTA isn't really discussed imo is because they're basically another tragic story about Foco theory failing outside of Cuba, the Shining Path have left more and longer lasting scars on the Peruvian state and are credited with the development of modern Maoist theory
user, will you associate the Armenian Genocide with sultan Abdulmejid? He was so based that he embarrassed the queen of england by offering £10,000 to the irish during the great famine. The Ottoman empire was the first victim of anglo imperialism in the region, in fact. Galipolli ring any bells?
Thomas Bell
Thank you.
To you, read the thread. I already made a long post about this:
Bentley Taylor
Turks are literal subhumans
Mason Nguyen
Nazis shouldn't be alive.
William Reed
Who cares about T*rks? Ottomans =/= T*rks.
Xavier Martin
Die screaming kike
This is like saying Americans are white Puritans from England
Nathaniel Wright
Americans are not* white Puritans from England
Christopher Hill
People who like the Ottomans want nothing to do with T*rks.
Adrian Howard
You're a moron with nothing valuable to contribute. kys
