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But seriously, can we have a genuine debunk discussion of Ayn Rand?

Why bother? Stirner (who she supposedly idolized) demonstrated the contradiction between individualism and capitalism decades before she was even born.

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I've never read a word of hers, I just know enough not to.
Objectivism as a philosophy or her creative work?

Oh shit!
I love they might be giants!

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Lucky you. I tortured myself by reading Atlas Shrugged. Its more boring that Chomsky speech at 0.25x speed

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Let me sum up the bulk of it for you:

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So that's objectivism sorted. Case closed.


So it is utterly dull then? not simply bad because of how bad Rand is?

imagine reading war & peace but the philosophizing parts are 2x longer and intellectually bankrupt and you do not have the comforting thought that you are reading a classic

Are there any shorter works worth a skim, or should I just steer clear completely?

>In a fictional universe where markets apparently don't have boom and bust cycles, a Byronesque 'hero' named Galt invents a perpetual motion machine. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion - basically a machine that produces free energy which doesn't need natural resources to recharge, it violates the laws of physics; imagine a mini nuclear reactor where a single unit of uranium never runs out)

Atlas Shurgged is an objectively bad novel.

There is NOTHING Rand wrote worth reading. She wasn't even an economist.

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That's a pretty damn good one.
Some of their songs have had a leftist slant for a while, but they've never explicitly talked about communism, I think.
It kind of surprised me.

Do you have any evidence she was into Max Stirner? Would make for some fun to point out she just didn't understand him if that's what it was or was it a disagreement?

idk man I kind of like the sound of that, makes me think of sticking my peepee in ayn rand's jewess cooch

god am i the only one who feels fucking sick when i see ayn rand
what a disgusting creature with those beady eyes
looks like fucking steve buscemi

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she a cute tbh
her beady eyes are pretty

i mean maybe if she had a nice body and didn't look like a frog
she looked kinda ok when she was younger? maybe idk

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I don’t have any evidence, my prof just mentioned that when discussing Stirner and Marx’s critiques of him in The German Ideology. He generally knows his stuff so as of now I’m taking his word for it. I mean Rand was clearly a brainlet so it’s quite possible that she woefully misunderstood Stirner.

Rand was not only bigot and stupid to almost unbelievable degrees, but also really ugly and furthered her appalling appearance with bizarre hats and stuff

She uncannily resembles Anne Applebaum

This should be played every time borg politician gets up to make a speech, tbh

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I think reading Atlas Shrugged is actually a good thing because even from a narrative/technical standpoint alone, seeing every single possible mistake you could make in writing all packed into one book makes it a lot easier to recognize and appreciate actually well-written books.

they did the malcolm in the middle intro song, right?

Objectivism advocates laissez-faire aynclap "economics" for reasons entirely unrelated to material self-interest. The idea is that the human experience is fundamentally about the ego, and that narcissism is therefore rational and should be pursued as thoroughly as possible. Rand even goes as far as to insinuate that material interests should be sacrificed in this pursuit if necessary. This is why the characters of her books have seemingly nonsensical motivations by a mentally normal person's standards. She literally believed that being a self-absorbed pissant was virtuous, and therefore made anything they chose to do inherently more moral than whatever the EVIL ALTRUISTS were doing.

Honestly, Rand's books should be mandatory reading. Exposure to her works as a teenager is what made me an ardent leftist. Her writing is so shit that it's almost funny, it's like a look into the mind of what lolberts actually believe. I wish I was joking when I say that BioShock, a fucking shootan gaem, is a fairly accurate and effective critique of her ideas.

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The important thing to know about Ayn Rand is two things she basically pioneered.

First, she basically created American conservative/lolbert populism by flipping Marxism on its head. You should remember that Rand was educated in the Soviet Union (and ironically, if the Bolsheviks hadn’t come to power and opened universities to women, she likely would never have gotten an education) and much of her ideology borrows from Marxist themes. She still puts forward the concept of a productive class being oppressed and exploited by an idle political class, but rather than this being the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, it was the heroic entrepreneur against the government, church, socialists, unions, degenerate masses and other “collectivists” who supposedly run society. This has largely served as the foundation of American-style right-wing populism ever since.

Secondly, she created a sort of auteur theory in the socio-economic realm, where the CEO is not merely the leader of the business as an organization, but the enterprise is an extension of his personality, the earthly manifestation of his great being. A sort of absolute monarchist ideology for capitalists, l’entreprise, c’est moi! This is an ideology that a far greater section of the population has adhered to. I’ve even seen seen this shit subtly peddled out in children’s films. It’s what allowed the creation of the Cult of the Entrepreneur that had people worshipping Elon Musk and Steve Jobs before him.

hey retard, stirner was referring to state-granted fiefs when he used 'property', not ownership in general. There is no distinction between ownership of capital and ownership of labor except through your own personal fetishes.

Moreover, socialism is inherently collectivist. The individual must be prohibited from owning capital for his own sake, in order to worship the 'god' of egalitarianism.

Stirner decried capitalism you moron, fucking read him.