some is the key word. German antifa, for example, do have some based moments, but overall seems like self-hating zionist shill base, while antifa in my country is not doing anything but put stickers on the streets.
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Xavier Campbell
Lincoln Jackson
Antifa is a form of praxis, not a sect
Well regardless the point is that we don't think that antifa is bad by itself, merely that a lot of them have shit organization
Nathaniel Perez
seriously how are German leftists so self-hating?
East Germany existed for the second half of the 20th century and was perfectly okay with being anti-UN
Landon Howard
It's really a propaganda war and antifascists don't tend to advertise their successes, which is a problem, but there are reasons for that. The other day antifascists in Appalachia infiltrated a Patriot Front cell and disrupted a banner drop over a highway. The account I read stated that the Nazis tried to fight but got their asses kicked and had to run back to their van (which also got smashed up and spraypainted with GTFO NAZIS). There have been other cases like this that I didn't even hear about until I read about them in FOIA'd police reports on these things. There was one case detailed in a police study that noted a Nazi dude tried to meet up with recruits in a Waffle House to do vetting interviews and got jumped. This is happening more often than people think.
The antifascists are getting better at the propaganda war. There was another case recently where a far-right militia was using an unsecured radio channel to coordinate attacking protesters (picking them off individually and attacking them so the cops couldn't see), but antifascists had infiltrated the comms, recorded everything and leaked it to friendly press. Self-defense techniques at the protest itself (including by armed black activists) protected the protest. The result is that a normie liberal audience now sees an exposed fascist plot and the enemy can't hide behind their usual victim-card bullshit.
What Nazis have done really well is exploit the media's naivety and "both-sideserism" to their advantage. Antifascists need to cut down on the Nazis' opportunities to do that, while also exposing the fascists for who they really are.
I also really insist on antifascism rooted in the community in a bottom-up way. Workers will spontaneously organize to resist fascist encroachments but they often don't have the context or knowledge of the groups involved – so one job of antifascists who have encyclopedic knowledge of the local Nazis is to network with local community groups and (yes, unfortunately) liberals so they can be better organized. The main thing is that fascists in the U.S. try to provoke liberals into overreacting while camouflaging their message. They do that so the normie right-wing conservatives will provide cover for the Nazis because the normie conservatives don't like the liberals.
That's also Greece though. I'm not saying there's nothing to learn from the Greeks but the context is different with very different legal regimes. Golden Dawn will attack trade union rallies with baseball bats with nails driven through them. I have seen American neo-Nazi groups studying Golden Dawn and applying their tactics to varying extents though. When they've pulled it off it has been very scary but there have been other groups where the feds have gone in and ripped the guts out of the organization.
I would highly recommend reading this report on Golden Dawn tactics from GUE/NGL: twitter.com
Evan Baker
Interesting, do you have some links to police reports about nazis getting btfo?
Gabriel Murphy
It's not only leftists. I do not know many germans, but they seem to be very high on muh forefather's sin propaganda. The fact that only far right offers them liberation from this self hatred while stuffing them with literal nazi propaganda seems very dangerous.
Nicholas Morris
That's not naivete, that's liberalism: the left wing of fascism.
Sebastian Thompson
that's some euphemism you got there.
Jacob Jenkins
>Terrorism is the use of violence as a means to create terror among masses of people