Where do we need the estimates? I'm supposing we'd use a labor-token system to track general consumption behavior, like Cockshott proposes. Then we just study the behavior of consumers and try to prevent under- and overstocking. I might be missing something obvious.
I imagine economy data-points being public. All goods are tracked throughout the economy in real time according to a unified protocol, and this information is broadcast throughout a decentralized network. Then, instead of using a powerful planning agency, the computation of the plan can be distributed and mutually checked. Sensitive data can be overlooked by a number of agencies mutually performing a function of independent observer.
Carter Brooks
Estimates about the future, one year, two years, four years, ten years, twenty. You can't automate away that by applying a simple rule to current demand data.
Henry Hernandez
Why not everybody?
Mason Hill
Do we need to democratically determine numeric values here? It's much more reasonable to leave it to scientists. Whatever you do, you do need some model to predict it, and just aggregating people's vague impressions seems like a poor model.
How about we have different institutes and independent researchers make different studies and pass these through a form of liquid-democratic peer-review? They could perform all kinds of opinion-polling if it is necessary. Then the best-trusted models are taken as a basis for planning commitments, which are again openly scrutinized, until we get something that satisfies the population (or their delegates, the population doesn't need to be directly involved). Perhaps this can be a continual process, where new proposals for future investments are judged on the basis of the available information.
Over time we'd discover which methods of predicting future demand are the most effective, making this process much less chaotic than it is initially.
Justin Richardson
Do we need to democratically determine numeric values here? It's much more reasonable to leave it to scientists. Whatever you do, you do need some model to predict it, and just aggregating people's vague impressions seems like a poor model.
How about we have different institutes and independent researchers make different studies and pass these through a form of liquid-democratic peer-review? They could perform all kinds of opinion-polling if it is necessary. Then the best-trusted models are taken as a basis for planning commitments, which are again openly scrutinized, until we get something that satisfies the population (or their delegates, the population doesn't need to be directly involved). Perhaps this can be a continual process, where new proposals for future investments are judged on the basis of the available information.
Over time we'd discover which methods of predicting future demand are the most effective, making this process much less chaotic than it is initially.
Anthony Lee
Yes. I wasn't thinking about modelling the weather, but decisions about building up capacities, and these are always also political decisions with a ton of value judgements and not just about physically measuring some problem and then engineering around it.
Gabriel Barnes
Well an example of what I had in mind would be like the following. You know stuff like that. Because engineers are qualified. Another example You know stuff like that. By having them pass a certification exam There should also be a time period in which the decision is made. Say 1 month for each decision or something like that. And it'd all be posted in a website.
John Bailey
This is super vague and borderline "So like the freemarket gives jobs and people work, boom, paradise" Nope. Technocracy is bad. """Specialists""" are just as capable of having class interests as everyone else. They will act to benefit themselves. Why would they know what people need, anyways? What does Paul Cockshott know about the needs of a Marine Science outpost in the Arctic? What do 10000 Paul Cockshotts acting independently know? The answer is nothing. This is too messy. This is just a huge bureaucratic machine. People are going to all have their ideas about how to do things, and they are all going to make new plans! Out of 10000 people, I bet one thousand plans will be made. Then, each one will have to be reviewed to decide the best one. And God help you if anyone gets a bright idea about how to fix the plans… 1000 plans was totally a lowball. This would never work. No, it wouldnt. This is just "enlightened scholar" class shit. And cumbersome. At least Plato had only one philosopher king.
Jeremiah Gomez
Sorry, but under socialism your mum will need to take a different job as sex work won't be allowed anymore, schizo user.
Paul Dickblast was just an example of someone knowledgable about economy, and even better, Computer Science. You guys used to upset me when you said stupid stuff like this. Now I just get this little pit feeling in my lungs. Haha. I too have relations with your mom. Epic.
