Who here is actually involved in real life organising?
What do you do?
inb4 NICE TRY FBI
you don't have to specific and if you are active in the west chance is posting on this forum is the last of your worries and also you are all little bitches so i doubt anything you are doing is very illegal
What are your experiences with these things?
Have you found them to be successful? What made them successful? What them unsuccessful
I am involved in a trade union (IWW) which has a been mostly unsuccessful although is beginning to organise couriers although this is mostly done outside of the actual union membership. The union is unsuccessful because most members are idpol students or there abouts. They care more about making it an inclusive safe space than they do actually making a functioning union
Also there is "too much democracy" in that it is run directly democratically but in a really structured way that makes it extremely bureaucratic
The meetings are badly chaired making them painful to sit through,
I am also involved in a tenants union, it is very effective, actual gains have been made for the working class and the union is growing. It is still very democratic although there is clear leadership. Decisions are still made by consensus and the various teams have a high level of autonomy while still be answerable to a central structure
Also involved in antifa, which is a shitshow either people know how to fight but nothing about politics or they know loads about politics but are huge pussies, there is rare crossover but not enough and more people who know jack shit about fighting or politics
A few months ago, I've joined a communist party. I really don't want to sound cynical, but I doubt, that we will ever reach anything in this country. (My country is the self proclaimed boss of the EU btw) But I can say, that joining my party was still one of the best decisions of my life. Working for my party is a true spark of light in my dark NEET existence.
Dominic Rogers
I’m trying to put together an IWW chapter where I live. We’re having our first meeting on Friday, and I know for sure that a lot of the people coming are proper Marxists and not idpollers.
Thomas Peterson
What is your party upto Don’t just say party building plz
If there is any kind of idpol presence in your area you will struggle to keep it out
Jaxon Richardson
Sad. If you don’t organise irl you shouldn’t have an opinion
I am a member of the young communist league
Tyler Diaz
You are going to regret it tho. Watching anime is a better experience.
Nolan Campbell
What does the YCL actually get up to? Is it worth joining?
When I lived in [city next to my hometown] I was pretty active locally. Did a lot of anti-war rallies, got involved in the IWW and helped out by joining in picket lines, got involved with an infoshop.
Now I'm a graduate student writing shitty essays about Marxist aesthetics and shit.
Charles Barnes
As far as I can tell its not particularly strong here. I live in a largely working class white town, the only significant minorities here are indigenous folks, and in my experience they tend to be pretty reasonable about these kinds of issues.
Jacob Nguyen
not today CIA
Daniel James
My impression is that attitudes about politics is an obstacle to this when it comes down to the actual work. Bigger strategic ideas on "the left" – that's politics. But the nitty gritty is more about various spy games. If you think about this in terms of a military or conflict thing (and in my area, it's not 'developed' enough to reach physical-force levels), then 'intelligence' so to speak is going to shape everything. Fortunately, the far right is really poor in this department
Luis Cruz
i wish. its really really hard when you are from america, let alone the south.
You just need to be really hardline on the fact you’re a union not an activist group. Focus on organising workplaces, don’t get sucked into the trap of becoming a protest group that turns up to demos organised by others with union banners
Jackson Cook
Intelligence is easy cos the far right are generally fucking stupid. Where I’m from there are the hooligans, football fans etc and then theirs the activists. The hooligans want to act the big man and as such refuse most forms of actual organisation, are also obsessed with it being their group which gets credits. The activists are all good at organisation and making flyers etc but inevitably bitch out of any fight. The two camps also don’t like each other at all so there is a load of moaning about who will work with who.
Noah Diaz
…. party building lmao…Where are you?
Julian Morgan
I'm trying to make new variations of "Nice try, FBI"…it's not working well.
Levi Young
I am a trade union organizer and Labor party branch secretary.
Elijah Russell
Young Communist League USA?
I thought CPUSA has you guys disbanded.
Jaxson Lopez
This has more or less been my problem with current anti-fascist action. Every group in the big tent that is anti-fascism wants credit and to forward their goals, but because of how it works no one does and any any victories can't be attributed to anybody or any group. I think the current Yellow Jacket protests are a good example of how things should be done if your going to have a big tent, where everyone comes to a consensus on demands and objectives and goes through with them while making it known to the public what those demands or objectives are so they can understand and rally in support. Anti-fascist groups have to become more clear in message and set goals other then just fascism to get people motivated Its sad that you have to motivate people beyond there being fascism, but that's the reality.
This is pretty much exactly it, try having an actual organising structure when you have socdems, anarchists and MLS all in the group, the latter two shitflinging at one another and the socdems basically being clueless about everything and acting as dead weight
John Baker
I found this in my pics folder before and it made me laugh.
I mean among all the bullshit we did shut down a couple fledgling far right groups such as Gen ID
Christian Morris
Based. Care to share what you did or is it a secret?
Andrew Sullivan
Active in organizing trade unions and in building self organized assemblies (soviets)
Xavier Diaz
The only IRL thing I've been involved in was a study circle in the basics of Marxism-Leninism organized by one of the ML parties in my country. It was pretty alright I guess. The people were nice.
But no real organizing. I don't see the point of it tbh. Our socdem party is neoliberal. If we had a Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders or Melenchon type character that had inspired a new sense of enthusiasm for socialist/socdem policies, I wouldn't hesitate to join the socdem party, but we don't have anything like that, it's just uninspired neoliberalism.
The left party has some ok shit in their program but it's dominated by the dumbest idpol and it's becoming increasingly clear that it's a party of and for the upper middle class. The socdems and the anti-immigrant conservative party have way more genuine support from the working class.
The communist parties are just glorified study circles. They're completely out of touch. They probably don't have more than 200 members combined, through out the whole country.
Feels bad man
Nathaniel Diaz
how do you think the bolsheviks started out
Christopher Brooks
They had a first meeting, the meeting was infiltrated and shut down, they have t had another meeting (although they have tried)
Nice. Where is this and how effective have you been? Are there normies in these assemblies or just activists?
Should have stick with the reading circle and tried to radicalise from there once you all knew and trusted one another. Everything started from a reading circle. Like The Young Hegelians for instance. Also the RAF, Bolshevism etc
Jordan Myers
What do you do when you've infiltrated it? Just be a nuisance?
Isaac Cox
Hey guys! Just stopping in real quick to make sure none of you are doing anything to abolish the value form. …Yep! All clear! You kids have fun out there, alright?
Brayden Jenkins
You don't get the point of the photo. Lenin is pointing to the left while the religiotards are praying towards the right.
Charles Barnes
1) I am involved in projects which do appropriate capital and communise it, but I’m not gonna talk about them here. 2) the scope for doing so without all the above mentioned things first is extremely limited 3) what exactly are you doing to abolish commodities?
Left coms are, as always, the absolute fucking worst. Worse than trots at this point even
It is unfortunate that the communist party is just a group of seven or eight weirdos who meet up every now and then to drink coffee and praise Stalin, with no connection to any form of working class struggle (political or "economistic"). It is also unfortunate that the left party is woke twitter but IRL. I fail to see how those two statements are in any way contradictory. If you're so smart then please explain it to me.
Nicholas Davis
Actually nothing like any of those three.
Justin Cruz
I am. Not so much in antifa but in other left-leaning projects. It's sad how nothing goes on cause most of the people are to apathic for showing up in real life for a thing they are for (in the internet mostly)
Jackson Fisher
that said I must say that I'm glad that you can argue anti-idpol in the projects I were and are in when your arguments are good. Maybe cause I avoid those university types with dreads and all
Ethan Rivera
How are you supposed to start a party in a partyless town/area? I live in a decently sized town in Norway and I have seen a few hammer/sickles here
Samuel Cox
what is the town like?
Camden Davis
Congrats on proving two things at once: 1) you didn't actually participate in/took seriously the study group you claim to have been the member of; 2) that you are a useless liberal.
While I'm not familiar with the situation in Norway I must ask: what makes you think you need to start a completely new party? How about familiarizing yourself with the existing one(s) and seeing for yourself if starting a local chapter is worth it or not? You'd receive help this way.
Wyatt Hughes
rich/poor/varied? lots of students? old people? give me demographics and economics.
Any party I would say say should focus on things, 1) Education 2) Serving the People 3) The party should be able to defend itself
If you want to set up a party i would therefore start 1) a reading group 2) physical training 3) somethings like food drives.
If there is a local labour movement, once you have a party, you may want to engage with this, however this may come with pitfalls
Justin Wood
think always about starting small and developing, everything is protracted peoples war, build , solidify, then build bigger where you can, with each step though, think about the next step and how you willl be able to build on it.
For example, from your reading group, you should be thinking about how you can turn what you are all learning into educational materials for new recruits, with food drives etc, so how you can go from sporadic to regular, once a month to once a week, etc etc
Asher Nguyen
I would say that most parties are not in power or anywhere close to it for a reason, that reason being that their party lines are out dated. I would say we need some youthful energy to create new praxis, the best way to do this is to start new parties rather than having to deal with old infrastucture/people stuck in their old ways
Jason Diaz
I'm a Labour member based in my home town, but do jackshit at uni. I'm not in any union (apart from the NUS ofc but fuck the NUS with a wood pole) mostly because my area doesn't really have anything to unionise. I mostly have to try and work with local anti-austerity pressure groups to do anything.
Landon Cook
there is no existing one right here, but in other towns there is an infamous one called "Ten Folket". I meant making a "base" for them here
Well my suggestion is Create a utube channel and shill leftism , i suggest drama for views Then when the 1000 years old lich king that runs the average ml party in most european countries(tbh i think they are all the same like the nurses from pokemon) takes notice of your rising influence , join the party and then ,with your already high support, push your ideas
Isaiah Kelly
what problems does your town have?
this is also viable but you have to be a least a little personable and good at theory and knowledge for this
Jose Foster
In Norway the right-party has centralized and now there are way fewer municipilaties than before and the neighbouring municipilaty is 90% against becoming part of the city Nothing serious though.
Kayden Rivera
Thoughts about Rodt?
Dominic Reed
Is there an issue with public services? Anti-austerity local action campaigns are a good way to build support for anything.
Austin Garcia
demsocks
not yet i am afraid, we are pretty rich
Zachary Hill
I've founded an IYSSE branch in my university and am working to connect students in the club with workers so that the workers form rank and file committees independent of their corrupt unions and so the students gain contact with the working class. I will also try to recruit people from online sites like this but just haven't gotten the time recently to create an effective thread.
Ryan Nelson
Do you have to be a Trot to join? Seems like some good praxis.
Adam Wright
Man I remember being a part of the group that made that one
Good old days lmao
Cameron Green
I'm at uni in the middle nowhere and even if there were people to organize, I'm a fundamentally unlikable incel. I don't leave my house and do what I can online instead.
Im a member of my countries socialist party. Its a very young party, two years old next May, but growing. We already have a good connection with the labour movement, having a member and a self described communist elected as the leader of the largest union of unskilled workers. Bretty good over all.
Ja genau, DKP. Natürlich! Es ist aktuell nicht leicht, aber wir dürfen nicht aufgeben.
Nathan Russell
Nice! It always warms my heart to see people, who organize in real life.
Evan Campbell
Can you guys recommend any good resources when it comes to activism and organising?
Ian Carter
This seems cool. How do you go about doing this in practice, and what's the idea beyond establishing the link between the students and workers? Union opposition?
Sorry for retard questions. I've never been involved with organizing, and I'd like to get started.
Xavier White
Fuck so am I
Parker Sanders
We've done foodbank shit recently
Camden Diaz
-YCL Better experience than I expected it to be. Still don't agree with their stance against Scottish independence but it's not the most important thing in the world
-Tenants Union Pretty good for getting people in communities involved in campaigns and preventing them losing their fucking houses of course. Probably the most useful org I'm involved with but have only done things with them here a there myself
-A newish Antifascist group It would be easy to figure out if i described it in detail. It's been a mixed bag, people can fight and a lot of people do have good politics, however the group needs a bit better organisation and recognises this. There's not but any action up where I am yet but I've been to shit down south and it was positive for the most part.
