How come no socialists are talking about this?

It's Time to Pay Prisoners the Minimum Wage
Paying just $2 a day hurts our economy and punishes families

newrepublic.com/article/119083/prison-labor-equal-rights-wages-incarcerated-help-economy

Paying Inmates Minimum Wages Helps the Working Class
Prisoners are farmed out for pennies an hour to private industry, undercutting compensation for everyone else. That should end.

bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-06-02/paying-inmates-minimum-wages-helps-the-working-class

I here so much catchy slogans for Fight for 15 and 'Build The Wall Where's the catchy slogan for pay prisoners the same minimum wage the rest of us are entitled to? You think this would be an issue that would have support from both the selfish and selfless viewpoint of the proletariat.

Pay minimum wage to prisoners because it's the humane thing to do and also pay the minium wage to prisoners because they're undercutting workers and stealing jobs worse than illegal immigrants.

Where's the movement Zig Forums? Where's the catchy slogan?

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buycott.com/campaign/companies/504/boycott-companies-that-use-prison-labor
espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/gulag/
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#RepealTheThirteenth

The DemSocs of America literally do this. Iirc the wobblies organised a prison strike for it.

Is that your own invention? Couldn't find anything on twitter. If you're being serious that's way too ambiguous of a slogan. Could be taken in the completely opposite way.

#repealthe13th is only giving results of liberals satiring a MAGA slogan of repeal the 19th which was apparently popular back in 2016.

That's pretty cool. But once again, how come there is no big movement for it? Where is the unified campaign to achieve large scale awareness and support and to eventually get laws passed?

In the same way, cracking down on employers underpaying illegals would.
Do you think one of the ""left""-wings of the dems could co-opt the 'protecting american jobs' rhetoric this way? Say the same things but lay the blame correctly on the employers, and do the same sort of thing with prison labor.

Because "rights of prisoners" is even more toxic than "rights of immigrants". They have been dehumanised to such an extent, automatically guilty in legal system in America.
As for a campaign, there is something there. I mean a part of this was Florida's re-enfranchisement referendum that passed this cycle. Also here is the IWW twitter for it:
twitter.com/iww_iwoc?lang=en

Yes I think it could.
That's the problem with leftists. Everything has to be put forth in a self righteous feel good kind of way. It's possible to appeal to both sides of an argument when both sides logically want the same thing. Even if you're ok with slave labor, this shit is corrupt because these prisoners aren't just making license plates anymore, they're working for private companies and you know the government is only making minimal fees for licensing out their slaves, while the companies and the corrupt government officials in charge of the contracts getting the kickbacks are making all the profit.

Actually that might even be a better angle to take it from. Make it illegal for companies to take out contracts on prison labor.

MGGA. Make Gulags Gulags Again! I dunno I'm spitballing.

End American Gulags could work tbh.

it's literally not

I already told you. Some people already used the slogan as a facetious rebuke of Trumptards tweeting #repealthe19th. The most immediate conclusion people would take from that is that you want to make black people slaves again.

twitter.com/search?q=#repealthe13th&src=typd


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Why don't we #repealthe13th while we're at it? Hell, just shred the whole Bill of Rights & throw it in the air like antidemocratic confetti.

Absolutely fucking retarded. Let's throw out an amendment that we could only pass by holding the south hostage because you don't like the words in it. Repealing it would do nothing, at best.

Thank you Kanye, very cool!

Didn't gulag inmates in the USSR receive normal wages?

yes, but don't say it out loud stupid prole

what do I give a shit about some nigger being paid 2 cents an hour to cut sheets fuck him and fuck you and fuck Puerto Rico and especially fuck reggaton music

At least someone got the joke. But seriously though prison-slavery should be abolished

because if you aren't a member of the ruling class you literally have nothing to lose from fighting to end exploitation.

i want nigger criminals to suffer for being so ape like they end up doing ten year stretches in state prison

and then their children just end up being even more niggerish because they lacked father figures. in what way does that benefit you?

You might be a martyr in waiting but is your baby sister or your baby cousin? How about your balls, fingers, or toes, you value those?

if a company can pay a nigger in prison 2 cents an hour, thats one white man they wont be paying at all.

they need to be kept off the streets at all costs unironically and their breeding rights should be revoked as well

nah mostly south east asians

there's a difference between complacency due to threat, and complacency due to thinking everything is as it should be like the fag I replied to.

why?

because they are dangerous antisocial apes

but what about those who don't behave antisocially? what of the white people who do?

What's that even supposed to mean? I offered a proposal even you could get behind sadistic vengeful nazi man. Why should private companies benefit from the punishment labor? Shouldn't prisoners only be allowed to work on public works?

They were slightly reduced IIRC, but yeah they were also often allowed to work doing the same things they were trained in, given various benefits like time off and release days not to mention training & education. Infinitely more progressive than most prisons in the world today for a system that started almost 100 years ago.

then you should be opposed to them being allowed to pay shit wages to the southeast asians too.

we can do without the talented tenth of negros that behave somewhat civilized but I don't want them around me just for how ugly they look

obviously antisocial white people should be punished and suffer as well

no the shit wages are part of the punishment they must suffer if anything they should be paid negative wages

so we should arrest and torture all antisocial people. that is your position, correct?

lol enjoy not only paying for their stays in prison, but also their families and also white people's families because they can't get jobs, fucking retard.

Does that include yourself?

Nah he's gonna have a cushy job working for the fuhrer, commuting from his all white subuirban neighbourhood he's posting from right now don't you know?

KILL ALL AUTISTS
MADE BY NAZBOL GANG

felons of all stripes should be enslaved yes

shitposting about pocs on the internet is not illegal. yet

i don't give a shit about nigger criminals and neither should you

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What the fuck
How can you fuck up your prison system so bad you make gulags look good?

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with growing class divide this is going to be harder and harder to manage.
you see what happens as people get poorer, as seen by the Flynn Effect, is that they develop a survivalist tribalist mentality. they kill, eat, and fuck everything they can because they are born with an underdeveloped, antisocial mind. you think Black ghettos are bad? just imagine ghettos of every tribe and color. Irish ghettos, English ghettos, German ghettos, Jewish ghettos, Arab ghettos in every river, valley, and mountain across the country, crawling with the mentally ill and the antisocial. the police and security are going to have to get stronger and stronger, and your taxes and wage cuts will go up and up as a result.

unless ghettos are dealt with economically and socially (through the abolition of commodity production itself) the only end result is complete and total totalitarianisation. if that is what you want for yourself be my guest, but I personally am not a masochist.

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Prisoners' rights in the US are a fool's errand. Burgers unironically think inhumane bullshit like supermax prisons are too soft.

Suburbanites aren't all burgers and shouldn't be treated as such

i hope so, we need rave war so white people can finally be liberated from PoC baboonery

but don't you see that war is never going to end? no war ends with one side completely decimating the other when they're both equally poor as shit.

whites will never be as dumb as nogs the 15 point Autism Level gap will always persist even if whites fell from 100 avg to 85 avg it means pocks would fall from 85 avg to 70 avg so therefore we will win

lmao

the white intelligent levels aren't arbitrary. it comes from post-scarcity. whites will literally become as dumb as blacks with the "civilization" you're suggesting.

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but if theyre allowed pay niggers, chinks, or beaners shit wages, they'll do that instead of paying a white man a high living wage that can support his traditional family.
No lifelong breadwinner factory workers if they can just outsource to vietnam or pay for the use of prison slaves.

oh. well you are flat out wrong. poorest whites are still on par or smarter with the richest blacks. it has nothing to do with standing in capitalist societies it has to do with divergent evolution of the brain.

the poorest white countries aren't as poor as the poorest black countries. it also has to do with low reproduction rates, which will skyrocket once white succumb to ghettos.

This has been disproven multiple times. You are citing an old infograph of college test scores from 40 years ago, which didn't even contain verifiable data.

It still doesn't explain why anyone would believe private companies should be profiting from their labor.

I didn't know there was a way to break the laws of physics.

They want their "race" to be the landlord class. "Honorary Aryan" cuts both ways, btw.

Ahem..

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We need to fucking rave, I agree.

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Why would you pay prisoners anything? Just nationalize prisons and cut the $2 down to zero.

IIRC their wages were 75% of the minimum of their respective industry.
(Hail Satan)
One job.

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fuck that, pay them the full value of their labor

gulags just were good though

Very contrary opinions here. The first issue here is that companies are profiting off of prison labor.

peoplesworld.org/article/corporations-and-governments-collude-in-prison-slavery-racket/

Over 50 prominent American corporations have been exposed for using prison laborers to reduce their payroll costs over the last several years. Prior to 2016, organic grocery giant Whole Foods sold a $12-a-pound bag of tilapia that was labeled “from sustainable American family farms.” This family farm was actually Colorado prisoners making 74 cents a day or less. And their fancy goat cheese? The goats and milk were produced by the same prisoners. Whole Foods saved money and the Colorado Department of Corrections likely made a bundle.

Some McDonald’s crew member uniforms are made by prisoners making even less money—a lot less—than the ones who wear the uniforms. Walmart has been known to buy produce from prison-run gardens. Female inmates in South Carolina have in the past sewn intimate apparel for Victoria’s Secret. In fact, whistleblowing inmates were placed in solitary confinement when they exposed that they had been told to remove “Made in Honduras” labels and replace them with “Made in America” labels. In 1993, AT&T laid off thousands of union employees in call centers to be replaced by a prisoner answering call center. Those prisoners made less than $2 a day.

buycott.com/campaign/companies/504/boycott-companies-that-use-prison-labor

lol you're a retard, a fucking nazi, the utmost ballgargler of capital not realising that not only will it not just be the felons enslaved under his ideal system but also his fellow "white" men, and that a capitalist economy cannot run off of slave labour without engaging in massively destructive imperialist wars (historically on other "white" nations as well!). He sees no relation between the slave in prison and the unemployed man on the street because he has no brain and cannot understand systems. "Nigger" Criminals are irrelevant, it costs magnitudes more for a state to house, feed and service the various other needs of a prisoner in even the worst conditions, and all of the surplus that they generate isn't going back to the state by any means, it's going to the capitalists who have "contracts" for that labour, meanwhile not only is the regular working man taxed more to make up for this deficit he also has less opportunity to get a job because so much of the labour market has divested into a captive slave labour market that wouldn't be profitable if it weren't being subsidized by the state. It is essentially advocating for the serfdom of "whites" in the forms of what essentially amounts to tithes in order to transfer that wealth directly to their bosses for the trade off of "nigger" criminals getting "what they deserve" or some other such nonsense. Pathologically cutting off your own nose to spite your face, or in you chucklefucks cases, cutting off your own balls so you can pay your boss to force niggers to fuck your wives in addition to everything else you massive cuckolds.

Literally every prison system that exists today (even the "progressive" ones in scandinavia) is worse than the GULAG system, which if implemented in a 1st world nation instead of the USSR (which was rapidly industrializing and suffering the ire of a civil war, another world war and the entirety of the international capitalist class) would be praised as a marvelous feat of solving all manner of problems in society. Ofc, it wouldn't because prisons have to exist as mechanisms of control under capitalist society but it's honestly astounding how bad of a rap GULAG gets when at the same time in the US they were performing horrific science & military experiments on all manner of inmates (usually racialized ones), sterilizing women, lobotomizing or psychologically destroying prisoners, torturing, raping, you name it.

I'm not an ML, and I'd say to take some of this with a grain of salt, but in particular pay attention to the sourced quotes from espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/gulag/ and look up the books detailed therein.

Probably because people (including me, apparently) don't know shit about the GULAG system. Thanks for the link, there's a lot of interesting stuff there. Here's the .pdf I got the graph in my other post from.

either the mods are incredibly fast or it got corrupted while you were uploading

fuck wrong file

No I'm incredibly fast at hiding my fuck ups

Cheers lad, I'll give it a look

Nice rebuttal.

Porkies just can't lose.

this is the future we chose. at least it’s not Communism amirite?

Unpaid (Slave) Prison Labor and Felon disenfranchisement are probably some of the worst forgotten horrors of American society tbh

Most americans would prefer totalitarian fascism than ebul commulism.

pay rapists and murderers minimum wage????

Would you rather they undercut honest working Americans by being paid less than them for a days Labour?

Why not have them do things that cannot achieve a days worth of pay. Something china is doing now anyways. I can see minimum wage for criminals in prison that haven't victimized someone in any physical way. But then again, I don't want drug crimes and stuff like that to be crimes in the first place.

prisoners don't pay rent or electricity or any kinds of bills whatsoever, they probably have a higher take home pay per hours work than run of the mill normalfag wageslaves

Nobody makes $2.75 a day in discretionary income unless they have crazy expenses like health bills and debt payments.

Yet you're still tied up in petty moralism.

If they're working they're working. If they still have a sentence left to serve they'll be serving it. If the state wants to give them the opportunity to work in the first place then they should pay them fairly for the work they do.

plenty of people just barely cover rent and food with their paycheck even after ebt and section 8 giving them a helping hand, plenty of people quite literally have no disposable income whatsoever

I think you mean discretionary income. Everyone mixes this up I guess because "high disposable income individual" is some kind of meme or something. But yeah like I said theirs no way someone could work full time and have no discretionary income after bills.

Just to take an example: Minimum wage in Mississippi is $7.25 Working 40 hour weeks that comes out to:
$15,080.00 / year
After Taxes:
$14,126 (This is the Disposable income.)

2 Bedroom apartment in Jackson goes for like $650 a month lets say.

$7800

From USDA average food costs per person is about $225 a month.

$2700

So just covering food and rent we're only at $10,500

So that leaves 302 dollars per month after housing and food.


Which is only like 10 dollars a day. Yes a pittance. And if you have other major expenses you're kind of fucked.

But besides all that. I can't find the info because these articles seem to be very unclear. But I don't think the companies who use this labor are paying the prison the minimum wage and the prison deducts the prisoners exspenses. In fact according to this:

atlantablackstar.com/2014/10/10/12-mainstream-corporations-benefiting-from-the-prison-industrial-complex/

They're actually given money by the government in the form of taxes credits to pay these prisoners third world wages.


So the first issue here is that we the taxpayer are paying for the prisoners living expenses one way or another and the companies are getting practically free labor.