How did Libya fall?

Gaddafi’s rein in Libya seemed pretty beneficial to Ordinary Libyans. So how did his regime fall? Unlike Iraq, NATO never invaded Libya, but funded rebels who over through Gaddafi. So if life was so good fro the average Libyan how was their rebels who were willing to over through him?

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theguardian.com/world/2011/may/18/libya-nato-bombing-benghazi-rebel-leaders
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/26/libya-war-saving-lives-catastrophic-failure
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foreigners coming in from egypt, that's why they started out in tobruk
and nato did intervene
they killed Gaddafi with an air strike after all

Mate, while there were no boots on the ground from nato forces, they still bombed the shit out of them.

Not directly. They bombed and destroyed his convoy which prevented his escape. After that their collaborators on the ground killed him.

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we all know the details of that…
just wanted to point out their direct involvement

A lot of them were Jihadis that had left for Europe that came back: the Manchester bomber was the son of a Libyan jihadi that left in the 1990s. He went back with his son in 2011.

Libya didn't have a real repressive apparatus.

Gaddafi was winning this war easier than Assad did in Syria. The latter needed Russia to overcome the rebels (the SAA showed significant struggle against the FSA, even without ISIS being involved, and even if they might have come out of top, it would have been a Pyrrhic victory), while Gaddaf seemed to have less trouble to deal with them.

I read a long time ago that Putin told his president that the fall of Libya was terrible for everyone.

Also, now Libya is a shadow of himself.The guardian interview a opositor to Gaddafi that now has remorse of his falling
theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/01/inside-tripoli-chaos-corruption-militas-rule-streets (sorry for missing words and sorry,I don't know how to use outline)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Muammar_Gaddafi#Domestic_reactions

Didn't they impose no fly zones and also targeted Libyan tanks?
With the French being the first to start with the raids.

Why did Libya fall though ? In the Iraq thread someone is talking about Sarkozy, but the reasons seem kind of shaky (Sarkozy took money from Gaddafi and broke some laws by doing that so he had to cover his tracks apparently). They also mentioned Françafrique. What is that and how does it work ? I don't think Libya was a former French colony.

Fuck this oligarch piece of shit. Yes, Gaddafis blood is on his hands, as well as millions of Russians. He stole trillions from Russia and stole into western banks, who in turn used Russian money to bomb Libya and Syria as well as financed maidan nonsense. Had he not stole from Russia but invested into industry and science, there would be no war in Libya or Syria. Fuck I hate pootin and oligarchy that has occupied Russia.

I know the no fly zones claim is true. And yeah, France had a big role to play.

Libya wasn’t a French colony but French influence still reigns supreme in Africa. Gadaffi was threatening to upset that by introducing a gold backed Dinar and trying to build closer ties with African countries which would bolster them against French imperialism.

They bombed the ever living shit out of Libyan forces to the point of France and the UK running out of their stock of certain weapons
like other anons said, after that it was mercenaries brought in and later on turn coats who saw which way the wind was blowing or were paid well to switch

A lot of good answers here, so to sum up. nato bombed Libyan forces and nato paid mercenaries did the rest.

True,I was a child back the, but I remember the news about the no.fly zone, the "muh civil protest or we destroy u" and finally the bombardments.
"The United Nations Intent and Voting was to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute crimes against humanity … imposing a ban on all flights in the country's airspace – a no-fly zone – and tightened sanctions on the Gaddafi regime and its supporters." The resolution was taken in response to events during the Libyan Civil War,[20] and military operations began, with American and British naval forces firing over 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles,[21] the French Air Force, British Royal Air Force, and Royal Canadian Air Force[22] undertaking sorties across Libya and a naval blockade by Coalition forces.[23] French jets launched air strikes against Libyan Army tanks and vehicles.[24][25]" (Idk how to use green text)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
theguardian.com/world/2011/may/18/libya-nato-bombing-benghazi-rebel-leaders
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/26/libya-war-saving-lives-catastrophic-failure

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How did switch to the African dinar threaten France ? I thought Libya was using the dollar to make oil transactions like other oil producing countries.

They had no boots on the ground.

The soldiers on the ground fighting against Gaddafi were Libyans. Them having NATO air support doesn’t change this. My question is why did people revolt against Gaddafi, when he was a good leader?

No.

One poster once explained, that there were negative feelings against Gaddafi because of financial crisis caused austerity, and rising Islamic extremism, but overall it was orchestrated rebellion.

The "people" never revolted against Gaddafi. Only a small minority did for autistic reasons. Gaddafi had large consensus but not a strong state, without the proper organization the will of the people means nothing and brute force wins.
Take Syria for example: probably Assad had less support than Gaddafi in the beginning of the crisis but Syria had strong military, strong security services (weak police tho) etc. but also is a more urbanized, complex society, with political parties etc.

Many Libyans bought into the Jew meme.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Libya#Libyan_Civil_War

You're one of the worst posters on this board techno fag.

You can always make more money faggot.

So if life was so good fro the average Libyan how was their rebels who were willing to over through him?

“How the French created the National Transitional Council, or how money talks “

Two days later, on 22 March 2011, Blumenthal returned to the charge with new information, which he said came from ” a knowledgable individual” and “in strictest confidence.” He entitled his mail: “How the French created the National Transitional Council or how money talks [in French in the text ! – Ed] .” Blumenthal talks about Libyan National Council, but it is really the National Transitional Council (CNT) he’s referring to:

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On April 3rd, two weeks after the first strikes, the CNT signed another letter that Libération revealed the following September, stating : “Regarding the oil deal struck with France in exchange for the recognition of our Council at the London summit as the legitimate representative of Libya, we have delegated the brother Mahmoud to sign this agreement assigning 35% of total crude oil to the French in exchange for full and ongoing support to our Council.” According to Libération, the letter was addressed to the office of the Emir of Qatar, with a copy to the Secretary General of the Arab League.


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Religion. Reactionaries would gladly live in dirt and misery if it means their spooks are satiated, and Muslims are very fond of formal theocracy.
The Western world back them because, y'know, oil. France didn't want to lose its grip on the country.

no, it was jihadists from saharan and subsaharan africa along with mercenaries from arab states
it changes everything. a few thousand or so monkeys with AKs and toyotas would have been viped out by the army if NATO didnt bomb everything.
because they were payed and because the rest of the population just went with the color revolution to end the war as soon as possible

you can't be more Zig Forums than this

There were many, many different factions with many different motives. Jihadists are a major one, who viewed Gaddafi as too secular and wanted a legal system based on Sharia. Gaddafi also became less and less competent as he grew older, and certain people came to view him as a liability to the nation, who all come from varying ideologies and backgrounds. Due to economic sabotage and sanctions, the Libyan government, in its later days, had to scale back egalitarian measures and social welfare campaigns and introduce increased private enterprise, which alienated a portion of the population, too, who were preyed upon by Jihadist types and other ideologues. In spite of all of this, the uprising parties were a minority of the nation with minority support, and the majority continued to be indifferent to Gaddafi.

I think it had something to do with the countries of Franceafrique relying on French control of their currency, which could have been subverted if they started trading oil or other resources in Dinars.