Leftybritpol - It's the end of the world as we know it edition

So here we are, days away from the vote on May's deal: it won't pass, but it seems nothing will. If another election happens then what? Labour has to fix this mess? We get a hung parliament with no real outcome? Seems Britain will be forever changed by this, these are the ends of days…

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Recession inbound. Hard Brexit likely if this deal isn't passed. Election or not, there will be carnage soon, and the left had better be ready to direct the coming popular discontent, in stead of flailing as is happening in France.

The true meme timeline:

Fucking kill yourself

Nah the proper banter heuristic is that the EU rejects a second referendum by not allowing an extension.

How do you know it won't pass though? (excuse me am dumb non-Angloid)

It wont pass and then there will be a hard brexit then comrade corbyn will be elected el presidente for life and abolish the monarchy

Because 92 tory MPs have said they'd vote for it, as has the supporting DUP. It is expected at best 6 Labour MPs will support it: May's kinda fucked.

will there be happenings in bonglands on the scale of gelits jaunes?

what is the difference between GB, britain and british isles?

British isles=geographical description of all the islands in the region
Britain= main land, Scotland, England and Wales I think
Great Britain= all of the UK including Northern Ireland

so are ireland and the faroe islands part of the british islands?

British Empire is a more accurate description.

Assuming this isn't a meme:
Great Britain is an island, containing England, Wales, and Scotland barring smaller neighbouring islands.
The British Isles are Great Britain, Ireland, and all their surrounding island.
Britain originally meant just Wales and England (see: Roman Province of Britannia) but means more colloquially the country of the UK. Like if you say someone is British they could be from Norn (unless they start singing come out ye black and tans then they'd be Irish).

Sorry lad, but you're wrong.

So how do we deal with a snap election, Com-lads?
Im kind of worried that if Labour win a snap election, that means they're going to get the blame when Brexit inevitably goes poorly.
What do we think?

Ireland yes, I think the Faroes are considering their own thing because even Shetland is out there and it has never been a part of any British state.

Is corbyn pro- or anti-eu? newb here

neutral

? what is that supposed to mean
i thought he was a politician

he was against joining the EU, but his current position is a but ambiguous tbh

I think they should try and force won and win it to get a brexit through. As Lenin said you can't sit on your arse and wait for perfect conditions to come around because they never will: you have to make the best of what you can.

OG anti-EU (he's a Benninite, he voted out in 1975 which puts him in a small minority), however he has to be practical with his party being so pro-EU. He is currently pushing that we should leave, but opposed May's deal. His precise brexit policy is v vague.

historically he's been publicly anti, he's almost certainly still privately anti but publicly he's walking a fine line where he has to insist he was pro-eu during the referendum, which he was, and now is both pro-brexit and pro-eu in order to assuage the remainers in the party.

what did I get wrong?

so what? whether or not Britain is in the EU has nothing to do with his agenda.

Great Britain is the island with Scotland, Wales, and NI, Britain is used as a collective for stuff in the UK

*England, Wales, and Scotland FUCK.

We can't nationalise the trains in the EU and fuck me if rail nationalisation is not the entire thing that makes him popular.

Before purging them, right?

Anti, but he keeps an ambiguous facade to try and lead liberals by the nose. Not sure how much good it does.

What do we think of the EU?

Regardless, Britain should not be a part of it: a continental system cannot work with the UK in it.

Reminder this is how the 2019 election will play out but with Brexit:
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MANDATORY VIEWING ^

Membership: Will Jeremy answer a direct question?
Seumas Milne: If it's about the EU, I strongly advise you not to ask a direct question.
Membership: Why?
Seumas Milne: It might provoke a direct answer
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Andrew Neil: When you campaign in the 2016 election, are you going to support my view that we should leave the EU or not, or not? Yes or no? Straight answer.
Jeremy Corbyn: Well, if you ask me for a straight answer, then I shall say that, as far as we can see, looking at it by and large, taking one thing with another in terms of the average of my opinions, then in the final analysis it is probably true to say, that at the end of the day, in general terms, you would probably find that, not to put too fine a point on it, there probably wasn't very much in it one way or the other. As far as one can see, at this stage.

Burger here, so I don't know shit, but it seems like leaving the EU would make it far easier for Corbyn to push anti-austerity measures

quality reference

Also man I rewatched A Very British Coup today: fuck me its good.

Nope, the EU is against nationalisation of industries and requires strict fiscal rules of its members.

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It's late mate give me a rest.

How likely is a hared Brexit?

May's deal is a pretty hard brexit tbh, I assume you mean a no deal?

Just call for a Border Poll already, you Imperialist cunts

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Eat shit bitch

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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I want NI reunited with Irealnd so idk what your talking about

To be destroyed.

Wtf are you talking about. Mays deal keeps EU rules that prevent large scale nationalization.

It’s just as much of an agent of capital as the nation states that preceded it.

What would centre labour do if he came out like that?

Most people don't want it though
Swim fein has the right to call it anytime but then don't cuz it's not probable at this time

Incorrect
Incorrect

I've heard enough outta you, Imperialist.

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Don't the republicans have the right to call a referendum under good Friday?

Only the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland has the power to call for a Border Poll

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Oh sorry my mistake famalam

Based Seumas.

Brief to the media and threaten to split for a few months before ultimately doing nothing.

The COCKshott linked this interestin piece

"The Left must connect with the dynamic energies created by movements of popular sovereignty, radical democracy, and class politics. It must recognise that constrained democracy is historically redundant or conceptually oxymoronic; democracy means the continual and restless striving for collective self-determination. It must recognise not only that the European Union is no friend of democracy, socialism or internationalism, or of labour against capital, but that it is not even serving the purpose of keeping the Right at bay. On the contrary, the Right, having little need of rupture from the European Union to pursue its nationalist political agenda – whether in Hungary or Poland, or Italy – remains inside the state of the Union, largely unperturbed by its bureaucratic apparatus and yet reaping the electoral rewards of Euroscepticism, capitalising on the discontent with neoliberalism. This scenario could well be repeated in the United Kingdom should there be a reversal of the Brexit referendum result."

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it's literally not a part of 'Britain' you fucking knob, Britain is a fucking island, which NI isn't on. Geography is not this difficult.

So there are reports that 20-30 Labour MPs might abstain on the deal which MIGHT allow it to pass…

HAHAHA good joke.

About time someone stood up for the moped gang community tbqh

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newstatesman.com/2018/12/mark-drakeford-s-corbynite-rhetoric-will-soon-be-put-test-wales
A Pro-Corbyn, Momentum backed candidate just won the Welsh Leadership race.

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What is going on…

With that and a claim that 20-30 Lab MPs may abstain on the vote: it is possible the deal may actually pass…

Somebody reset the "days without Lib Dems betraying their voters" sign.

There is an event unfolding.

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Mopeds can't handle Tactical Contact™.

Interesting thing is that this policy is actually really popular: has like 70% support. Voicing some opposition to it is reasonable, but honestly fuck the cunts.

CHECKED, JUSTICE WILL BE DELIVERED
Also I had to explain to my foreign GF what Hillsborough was and why there were "Don't buy the sun" stickers everywhere. It was actually quite difficult having not grown up with the context of what Hillsborough was…

He was a punk, she did ballet, what more can I say?

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So when we going to war with Spain lads?
Looking at my Burn Europe clock the Germans are nearly 40 years behind on physically ruining Europe, the French haven't done it in nearly 200 years, surely its our turn to have a go?

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Let's let Spain block extending A50. We can let them have a bash at destroying Europe/EU.

Are you guys proud of me yet? Death to anglos btw

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Can you post that on somewhere because that girl is hot as hell

I agree, what a stunning and brave woman!

do we /revolutionarydefeatism/ now?

So is the deal going to get blocked or will the eternal Blairite fuck everyone in the ass one last time

I'd say it's pretty likely it will fail, pretty sure the numbers don't stack up in May's favour at all. Best just waiting for this sort of thing though since there's not much you can do to impact it and politics is a bit of a wildcard nowadays.

anyone have the pic with lenin hidden behind a curtain or a big piece of cloth on which is a corbyn motto (or a momentum one)?

I know exactly what image you mean (It is a Corbyn for Leader) one, but I don't have it. I know an user does here.

HE'S SNEAKY

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das it mane

economist.com/open-future/2018/12/06/the-antidote-to-civilisational-collapse
Excellent Adam Curtis interview.

Mr Curtis: They may have been conned about some of the reasons to vote for Brexit, but that vote was still an expression of what they feel, which is a sort of anger. One of the most cowardly things I think is all these nice middle-class people I know who are going to become German citizens. You fucking cowards. If you really think this is wrong, why don’t you stay here and fight for what you think is good? Fuck off. You want to go and live in Germany? It’s a retreat. But they’re somehow so proud of it. It’s part of the pessimistic mood and nobody has managed to explain to me why the middle classes are so pessimistic. It was when someone showed me “The Handmaid’s Tale”…have you seen The Handmaid’s Tale”?

The Economist: I’m afraid not.

Mr Curtis: It’s gruesome. It’s absolute shit. You’ll probably love it because it gives you a dystopia. Somebody told me it’s peak dystopia. You can’t go further than this. It’s torture porn for the baby-boomer generation. Sorry, I’m off the point.

Christ, Curtis is so consistently based

I think Curtis is right when he says he's a journalist and not a politician (or a theorist for that matter). He makes a lot of great observations and some… unique takes, but it's all very surface level, and that's kind of what I get from his films as well. I think the comparison with Jordan Peterson is very apt. They both talk about these issues that are very real and evoke feelings that resonate with a lot of people, but because they don't have a coherent theory behind these issues their conclusions are either banal or just off. Not to hate on him or anything, I like his films, but he's not the genius that some people think he is.
Also, slightly off topic
This guy has made his entire career by basically copying Marx and writing his own shittier version. This is basically just Marx's theory of alienation, except Marx's theory is way more than just "my job is meaningless". Same thing with the debt book. I was reading the Origin of the Family, long time ago, and there is a passage where he talks about debt in the ancient world, makes a lot of the same points as Graeber, but he actually ties it together with the development of the family, the state, property, class, just a broader materialist analysis that's way more lucid and enlightening than Graeber's own shitty takes. You would think that after over a century of accumulated knowledge someone like Graeber would be able to come up with something better than Engel's talk about Polynesians and consanguinity, but no, our knowledge progresses and our takes keep getting worse.

Lamo, reports the People's Vote lot are trying to kill attempts to take Britain into the EEA. The counterrevolution devours its parents…

Remind me again why we make fun of yanks for being thin-skinned about 9/11 when scousers are *still* salty about less than 100 people dying almost 30 years ago?

Because porky, the bill, and the press barons didn't try to say 9/11 was the victims' faults.
Also fuck Maggie innit.

The scousers didn't deserve it