Subculture and Lifestylism

Why would we want to replace ICE?
I really think you're severely overestimating the supposed damage these slogans are doing, the media shapes the rhetoric and opinions of the masses, even if we got rid of problematic idpol lib losers and did something dumb like appealing to racists and petit bourgeois the left would still be constantly criticized.

So you’re naive. Thanks for clearing that up.

have you thought for two seconds, maybe there is a difference in how black and brown people view and generally perceive the police, vs how whites see the police? Maybe, just maybe, this can be the reason for them accepting slogans like Abolish ICE, which the whites won't support because they are beneficiaries of a fascist police system.

this is the reason I distrust the white left. So many of you try to do this, rather than reach out to the people who are actually persecuted by ICE and harsher policing.

Shut up idpoler

Leftists here that reject "Abolish ICE" reject it because it's merely a slogan and no political program, not because they care for ICE or the police. That is, it's meaningless and manipulative, and it sounds that way to anyone who cares about things other than slogans.

Where? I've never seen direct appeals to racists or petit bourgeois by crediting either's understanding of the world. At best, it's a recognition that they're perceiving something, albeit incorrectly, and, for example, placing race as a social construction created within the context of class warfare. This isn't reactionary.

ICE literally should be abolished.
It's not just a slogan you hypernormalizing shitbird.

Where did I disagree? All I'm saying is that it's an utterly meaningless slogan, either implying a change without a difference (there won't be a capitalist nation-state without border controls, so ICE will be replaced by something else doing the same thing) or the establishment of socialism worldwide, in which case that should be made clear.

How is it utterly meaningless? ICE isn't some integral part of the government since it's only been around since recently, you can abolish it pretty easily.
Do you even comprehend what the concept of a slogan is?