What about Ethiopia

I hear no one talk about ethiopia's communist era. From my limited knowledge it seems like country that just happened and fell with the rest. Was it as bad as sources say, or is there another side? Any reading recommendations?

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Wow no one? Guess it's not that important

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Anything the Derg could do was greatly limited by the state of constant civil war. Like imagine if the Russian Civil War lasted 20 years.
Here's a book which is a compilation of articles from the 70s:
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Mengistu is still alive in Zimbabwe, and these are some of the things he said in a 2001 interview (From Talk of the Devil: Encounters with Seven Dictators).

On South Africa:

On Mandela:

On Mugabe:

On the Red Terror:

On Brezhnev:

On Gorbachev:

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On Kim Il Sung and Fidel Castro

On Somalia:

On Albania:

When asked if he has any regrets:

On Bourgeois "Democracy":

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Man reading that shit about gorbachev makes me hate him even more. How could that piece of shit do that to his own country?

wow thanks, this is way more then i expected

What did he dislike about Hoxha?

Seems like a very based man. Those quotes gave me feels

It's an interesting take here, because this is always going to happen when bourgeois democracy is introduced into a still feudal state (most states that went from feudalism to democratic capitalism quickly; Japan, Turkey, underwent radical developmentalist periods where feudal institutions were smashed into pieces). Somaliland actually had a unique way of dealing with this in that the maximum number of legal political parties is 3: as such the clans HAVE to work together at a political level and it has led to the development of a genuinely ideological political system. As a result of that, it is one of the best functioning liberal democracies in the whole of Africa and it isn't recognised by a single state.

From the inteview he sounds like intelligent man,stuck in a series of very unfortunate events.
I did not knew that Mengistu Haile Mariam financed ANC and helped to fight against apartheid.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derg

Pretty based tbh

It was very unfortunate. There were tons of rebel groups popping up everywhere with US, Chinese, and West German support.
It didn't help that Somalia saw this weakness and invaded (also with US and West German backing) in an attempt to conquer the Somali majority region of Ogaden. And that there was a famine resulting from the endless war and drought.

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Don’t forget two massive droughts that destroyed their agriculture.

As someone has already stated the Derg's progress much like Angola and Mozambique was constantly limited by the Civil war and conflict with Somalia (All of which was provoked by NATO / China / And if Mengistu's claims are believed possibly the USSR under Gorbachev)
Though some of the Dergs main accomplishments stood as the Abolishment of the Monarch and Feudalism the attempts at establishing a nationwide literacy and education system a Land Reform meant to to redistribute land (This mainly failed for a number of factors including the civil war and goverment incompetency and corruption and led to shortages)
It also certainly didn't help that this entire time the nations was in a state of constant drought
While the goverment itself was Marxist it sadly never moved past a state-capitalist period of economics as it could never really control the entire economic output of its economy

Effectivly immediately after the fall of the Derg the new "Democratic Socialists" / "Radical Democrats" immediately cucked out and undid most progress the serf hadattempted save not reinstating the Monarch

I posted some articles about this one Marx a while back and will try to dig them up again but to TLDR the goverment that has ruled since the dergs fall the "EPRDF" is seen as dictatorial corrupt and election riggers by large chunks of the Ethiopian population and thus some Ostalgie for the Derg (Albeit quite limited) has developed in some sectors of Society


He simply states that he was never "Pro-Albania" AKA he didn't agree with Hoxha's Foreign policy decisions / Albo-Soviet Split etc
Any "Dislike" was likely caused by a number of the rebel groups (Specifically those funded by China) Branding themselves as Hoxhaist

The Derg was fighting against other socialist movements, notably the EPRP who predated the Derg as the foremost socialist revolutionaries in the contrary in opposition to the monarchy. Somehow the Derg came into control after the initial revolution against the monarchy and instituted a "Red Terror" against the other leftist parties, including the EPRP who were not only also communists but also Marxists-Leninists. To be honest I am not sure exactly what was the source of the split and I dont know much about the crucial details.

The Derg, who recieved direct support from the USSR, tried to enforce their power in some very shoddy, heavy handed ways. But what were previously other leftist groups (like the EPRP) ended up accepting aid and then indirect guidance and then direct guidance from the US. The Derg did some real good in abolishing feudalism and orchestrating land reform, but ultimately I think they were a net loss because they seemed to be very much effectively a USSR puppet and perhaps forewent some strategies that could have been more effective because of it (I'm not an anarkiddie or even anti-USSR in any regard, just think they had a habit of encouraging ruling parties more on the basis of loyalty to them than on a basis of effective socialist revolution). If the country was ruled by a coalition of communist parties and the disastrous civil war and mutual atrocities that led to the infamous famine were avoided, Ethiopia could have become a serious socialist powerhouse with lasting potential outside of the 20th century, or less idealistically a powerful state-capitalist force like China that nonetheless could have ensured a more multi-polar world and kept Euro, American, and Chinese neocolonial interests out of Africa.

Open to hearing contradictory views I know only what I gathered from a few afternoons of curious googling. Really beautiful country, I hope its future is bright.

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Sounds like more stupid smears to me. You'd whine about the Bolsheviks "fighting other socialists."

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juchedrones will defend this

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Refer to the books and articles in the /his/ mega

Titoists will defend this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeb_(yacht)

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Except they didn’t. The Bolsheviks invited the SRs and the Mensheviks into the revolutionary government. They only fought them when they refused and sided with the whites.

What book are these sections from please

So… you admit the Bolsheviks fought other socialists.

Really makes me think

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Seems pretty cool, I'd like to read more in depth about him

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It's from the book I linked in
The Ethiopian Revolution and the Struggle Against U.S. Imperialism
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Theres a lot to be added on soviet union soon

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Yes but only after making attempts at reconciliation and cooperation.

Tbf mensheviks were more conciliatory than the bolsheviks. The mensheviks should rightly be blamed for collaborating with the provisional government and being extremely rigid outlook which prevented them from joining lenin, namely their insistence that bourgeois democrscy and the developement of a native capitalist development was necessary precondition to a final marxist end. However it was Lenin who was unpolitic be presenting a fait accompli to the Petrograd Soviet. Had he and Trotsky made a conciliatory gesture and speech in that moment a Socialist party (mensheviks SRs soviets) coalition could have taken power. Instead they purposely chose to antagonize the Mensheviks and Martov with the whole “muh dustbin” comment. Martov and mensheviks made grave miscalculations here too but it was the Bolsheviks who started executing and suppressing and killing SRs and Mensheviks the next year in their Red Terror which is quite despicable imp

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Wew lad, they gunned down Lenin in the street.

This is all premised, btw, on the desire for Lenin to collaborate with the other socialists or through the soviets, which evidence points against. Only Kamenev made geniine attempts to bring reconciliation and he would later die because of the stance he held at this crossroads. But even Lenin later regreted no coalition though if hes to be believed

One rogue leftist isnt an excuse to repress all left opposition

hmmmm this sure seems unbiased

Well, for some people that statement doesn't apply.

No, I dont. Mensheviks and SR's were openly reformist and sided with the bourgeois liberals and nationalists. The EPRP were armed, committed revolutionaries that initiated the revolt against the monarchy. It shows how pathetic your analysis is that you immediately conflate any leftist party that succesfully takes power with the Bolsheviks.

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This thread got massively derailed, didn't it

But at least we get a sweet buch of ebooks

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There is no problem with this. Every non landlocked country has an official boat for the head of state.

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This thread is great yet barren compared to all the shitpost threads.

The greatest socialist state to ever exist. Aman Mikael Andom was the greatest Marxist hero in history and the fact that he isn't heralded as such is just a demonstration of the overly western slant in most american leftist circles.

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can you explain any further?

Thank you Juche user.

even if you read biased western histories, the 'red terror' period is the least fucked up time in ethiopian history. makes you think.

What about the droid attack on the wookies?

Apparently Ethiopia is still governed by officially left wing coalition

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_People's_Revolutionary_Democratic_Front

Theyre effectively centrist neoliberals tho

Dengists and the modern CCP are perhaps a better comparison. They're doing they're best to be the china of 21st century africa.

he's not as bad as Yeltsin, lets be real here.

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I get the feels for Siad too here, was he really a backstabber? I mean would you talk about a backstabber like Mengistu spoke of Siad here?

They had assassinated several government officials and conducted an officially sanctioned terroristic bombing campaign against the government. They also attempted to overthrow the government more than once. I think Lenin made a lot of missteps, but this definitely was not one.

He started out as pro-Soviet but went over to the US/China side after the Soviets refused to support his invasion and defended Ethiopia. There could have been a socialist federation of Somalia and Ethiopia. But Siad Barre rejected this in order to pursue Greater Somalia.
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This doesnt hold for all the left opposition though just the left SRs who were originally in coalition with the bolsheviks and then turned on them because of brest litovsk. Only left srs did wanton killings, though obviously kaplans attempt wasnt isolated i concede (on the other hand the assassinations had little overall impact). The other left opposition either kept their heads down, joined the samara govt supporting the constituent assembly or joined trade union opposition or eventually joined the antoniv and the greens. In most cases bolshevik repression and killing was way out of proportion to the threat and was counter productive. Also despite admirinf Lenin, his thinking himself indispensible to the success of revolution was egotistical and allowed a cult to spring up around him.

I'm really glad this thread took off, i was just curious about African history and the times there were revolutions or movements for the people. I'm glad there is a alot of people curious about it too. it's sad that such a large continent was (and still is) corrupted foreign power. my heart goes out to them. thanks to all the comrades who dropped information and references, it was really helpful

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relevant bibliographies

Communism, Marxist-Leninism and Socialism in Africa
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African Socialism
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Pity yourself and your own corrupted government white guilt man.

Yeah and Trump forced me to wear old navy.

Hungarian work on Ethiopia from 1976, Ethiopia on the Road of Non-Capitalist Development

This is depressing
I thought i hated Gorbachev before but fuck that snake really fucking destroyed the only thing standing against the unchecked US aggression in the world

Ethiopia is an shithole country populated by stupid niggers wohave less of 70 Autism Level

This country should be burn to the ground, or vitrifed by an atomic bomb

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higher autism level than yours though

That African renaissance statue was built by the DPRK. I was actually just there visiting it.

First things first the country WAS the world's oldest bloodline monarchy. Dating back at least 2500 of not 3500 years.

They went straight from feudalism to Communism, and this kinda sparked the Rastafarian movement. Though Ras Tafari never thought he was the second coming of Jesus. He was still a Christian.

Poor planning lead to famine. Other Communist nations had no idea the terrain or situation of the people.

Chinese are doing well with their infrastructure push these days. Good train systems, better roads. Real potential now. Ethiopian Orthodox Tawahedo Church is helping a lot. They act as a pseudo-commune that brings the communities together and organizes to some limited degree.

Some people are so desperate they went back to feudalism because at least there is food.

Yeah that was one of the reason why it was a disaster. It totally skipped the dialectics of the mode of production.

The Solomonic dynasty only goes back to 1270


This is a gross oversimplification like saying if Britain or Thailand went communist today they'd be going straight from feudalism to communism. I've included a couple photos with their years labeled to give you a picture of Ethiopia before the revolution. You can find more here: vintageaddis.com/


I don't even know what this means. The overthrow of Selassie by communists led to the Rasta movement? That doesn't make sense on the face of it. The Rastafarian movement predates the revolution by decades. It has more to do with African-American diaspora mystics needing an icon and Haile Selassie was the only African leader who was respected and recognized on the world stage by Europeans.


This is correct.


The civil war caused the famine.


This is correct. The Chinese are a better business partner than most European nations and Western conglomerates. I think if they weren't there however their would be someone else. They aren't saving Ethiopia, they're just doing business with them.


I don't know where you're getting this from. The church is important culturally but the regional organizations of ethnic groups is what's really moving things right now.


Where the fuck are you getting this from? Never heard it before in my life.


Get the fuck out of here with your Ethiopians are starving meme.

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The pictures of Haile Selassie with European royalty I was trying to include in the previous post.

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