Holy fuck /b/ is retarded. Someone in the thread put it perfectly: "They think anything left of wanting a holocaust makes you a commie."
Seriously, Zig Forums is a board that doesn't fuck with other boards unlesss they start shit-posting. /b/ Decides to show their absolute stupidity in the realm of politics and gets reamed for it, then they whine about Zig Forums invading and claim they BTFO the "commies" after banning and deleting 90% of the posts with actual arguments. The sheer delusion of it is staggering.
See, there's a problem with this (many other posters have pointed this out before, more eloquently than I ever could). Arguing with fascists is playing by their rules, because despite all the insistence to contrary, fascists do not care about facts or logic and truth. They care about advertising their ideology. You can destroy a fascist's argument 10 times over, but if he managed to spout a few emotionally appealing slogans that can brainworm their way into someone, he has won. On the "free market of ideas" it is not the most logical and sound idea that succeeds, but the one that is easiest to market - that is emotional and aesthetic appeals of fascism. Just like in the material free market.
Neither deplatforming nor debate work. We honestly should just ignore fascists and work on building alternate platforms for non-idpol leftists.
Daniel Williams
The premise of free speech regarding, let's say, holocaust deniers, is that if most evidence points that an educated and rational person would agree the holocaust happened, he wouldn't need to be deplatformed, but rather be argued against and that will change his mind.
This clearly isn't working.
Dylan Peterson
That entire thread is like a contest for who can be the biggest moron. They call infographs and quotes memes, they take joke memes seriously, they deny facts, create strawmen, and cherrypick… LOL
The funny revelation about this thread is that Zig Forums really is full of redditors, claiming that reddit memes originated on Zig Forums, it's like a closet homosexual ranting about faggots all day.
Parker Edwards
See that's the problem, the left has tried that before and got nowhere. The left cannot imitate the right's tactics because we get shit like antifa; edgy rad-libs disliked by both left and right wings. If we attempt to take the high road, the right just uses populist jingoism to shout down the left, even if they're plain wrong. There is no point in arguing with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Jason Rogers
You can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason their way into.
The right is a social rot. You don't cure rot, you destroy it, you cauterize it.
Easton Stewart
Imagine being so infantile you literally cannot comprehend people actually discussing ideas instead of communicating in LE MEMES. The sad thing is that the majority of that thread is probably over 20.
Henry Hernandez
Also I checked the waybacked version of the thread and literally half the Zig Forums responses are not present in the archive.is snapshot… because they got deleted by salty mods… which is ironic seeing how Zig Forumsyps and /b/tards scream about janitors and mods being censorship, and flaunt how Zig Forums 'supposedly' doesn't have them.
For example that last minute strawman about the Russian Empire's GDP, it got debunked, but then deleted.
"DP isn't a meaningful metric in feudal and semi-feudal societies. It's only meaningful in societies which have generalized commodity production (GDP is essentially the total amount of market exchange that occurred within a country, if you live in a sort of economy where market exchange isn't the sole or dominant economic relation, it becomes a lot less meaningful). I was talking about industrial output, infrastructure, mechanization, etc."
