Dresden Bombing Hoax????

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Lets just say by fighting the dead nazis, we are creating alive ones.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Fuck off retard.

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The guy makes some good videos, but every time I listen to him I'm reminded he's an unironic SocDem (which funnily enough makes his symbol fit even more) and of his incredibly shitty video about guns and the Third Reich in which he argued that the Jewish populace owning guns and fighting against the Nazis in Germany and Poland would "make things worse for them" youtube.com/watch?v=gfHXJRqq-qo

wtf lol

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the "three arrows" itself is an anticommunist symbol too
still an ok video though (the one other user posted)

Well hey its not like Vonnegut could've known the numbers were bloated man cmon

The Neo-Nazi's that push the blatantly inflated numbers are obviously false but those that defend it with EBIC MEMES TO OWN DA NATZI XD are also wrong as they are in effect celebrating one side of an Inter-Imperialist conflict (Which is what the western front ultimately was) and the subjegation and imperial conquest of Germany after the displacement of the NSDAP by the Soviets and allies
The Imperialist occupation of western Germany and the subjegation of the people of West Germany under the Imperialist BRD can not be forgiven or celebrated with the "they started it" line

Also Dresden was to destroy the cities industries so the future soviet occupation zone couldn't use them XD

Agreed. The fact is that it deliberately targeted civilians and was a war crime. And if you want to get fussy with this specific death toll, look at the far deadlier raids on Hamburg, Tokyo, or Hiroshima.

What these napalm-fired atrocities reveal is that the mass slaughter of civilians makes strategic, logical sense. Bomber Harris didn't burn a mass of predominately women, children and the elderly to death because he hated the Aryan race, he did it because the bean counters determined that "targeting the morale of the civil population" with a "de-housing" campaign was necessary.

Why does this matter? Because the logic of strategic bombing brutally revealed during WWII still applies today. As has been revealed numerous times by declassified documents, nuclear war plans explicitly target civilian populations - look at category 275 in my attached PDF. If we don't act, what happened in Dresden will happen to all of us.

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Can we talk for a moment about Nazi propaganda which has been popularized? Another good examples is the Holomodor.

eat shit

That's a glorious way to generate Nazi butthurt though

BOMBER HARRIS DO IT AGAIN

celebrating the murder non-marxian socialists because liberal capitalists are the good guys or something. Wow.

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Harris' "dehousing" (a euphemism for mass killing of noncombatants) was actually largely ineffective, though he was allowed to continue doing it up to literally the last few days of the war, for some reason. The targetting of cities for economic reasons (which will naturally kill civilians anyway) can produce results in wartime but just slaughtering people in housing centers at random has always produced no results at all in every major bombing campaign from the Great War to Vietnam. If anything it has driven the victims further into the arms of the regime being bombed.

Air Forces have always been cults though, it was a huge mistake to give them independence from armies. Their commanders had to be dragged often kicking and screaming away from their precious mission to kill more civilians and into more strategically sound investments like Operation Starvation and the targetting of German oil. Just about everyone in the Allied camp was hugely critical of the RAF and USAAF for shit like this and the mixed (at best) results they produced during the war. Gen Arnold actually proposed a landing in Norway bc of some insane belief that their bombing campaign would bring the Hitler regime to collapse on it's own. The US Air Force is still filled with men like him to this day and they will never learn their lesson.

All in all, if I was in their position I would have made many of the same decisions the men in the Bomber Command and the USAAF made. The destruction of the German & Japanese war economies was a far more pressing matter at the time than the preservation of civilian lives. It is asking too much from the peoples of the United Nations to care at all about the people of Germany and Japan, who largely supported the horrendous regimes they lived under and did nothing to stop their mass slaughter and looting of Eurasia. The deaths of the thousands of French civilians by allied bombing should arouse far more sympathy than the hundreds of thousands of Germans and Japanese.

As far as I'm concerned everything, war crimes and all, was fair game the second Goebbels made his total war speech.

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Keep crying lmao

"The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naïve theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now, they are going to reap the whirlwind"
t. arthur "our bomber guy" harris

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It was a war crime of Anglo-American terror and the DDR recognized it as such.

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Crime or not they deserved it. That being said it should not be repeated unless the Germans embrace fascism again.

Shhh or you'll get banned by the antideutsche mod squad.

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Wow mate, I'm totally owned by your bravery.

Yeah, I know he is a SucDem, but for this occasion the video was good.

antigerman fascist.

he's right though. the second you make the argument between two sides which downplay vs exaggerate reality everyone automatically loses.
watch Zizek
youtu.be/SkSV4xyKkds

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Start shit get hit. I don’t care how many were killed tbh. They had it coming and it was a war.

So it's okay to murder civilians during war. Thanks for clearing that up.

Next you’ll be whining about barrel bombs. The Nazis had no qualms about massacring civilians in fucking camps, they had to be stopped. Every dead German, every destroyed building, every unusable road and railroad shortened the war and saved innocent lives.

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WWI would like to speak with you

Exactly. The only way to shorten the war is to destroy the factories that supply those soldiers, which is what the allies were trying to do when they bombed Dresden.

Drafted proles in the German army were victims of fascist aggression, not the resistance of the people they attacked. If a Pole shot a German conscript in 1939 then that German was killed by his own government.

Quit crying Hitler-lover. If I was a German in 45' would I work in a munitions factory if it mean my family could eat? Hell yes I would. If I was a Pole would I shed any tears about German workers being bombed to death? Hell no. Fuck your pathetic moralism, wars will inevitably be fought and they won't be won by little girls like yourself.

From a purely non-moral standpoint, it's good it was so terrible. If total war was enacted more often and was actually expected, maybe we'd take a step back before starting a conflict and be like "wait a minute holy shit."

hmm… >>2774317

the point is their deliberate whitewashing of which class was pushing hitler, showing millions up his ass and wanted his wars
they are fascists, völkisch ideologues who think in ethnicities
according to the nazi parole "one volk, one reich, one führer"
they take it to heart too
the same shit as nazis really, no difference, proclaiming themselves on the other side just to be with the victors

read stalin and stfu, antigerman scum:
"It is very likely that the war for the liberation of Soviet soil will lead to the exile or destruction of Hitler’s clique. We would welcome such an outcome. But it would be ludicrous to identify Hitler’s clique with the German people, with the German state. The experience of history indicates that Hitlers come and go, but the German people and the German state remain.

The strength of the Red Army lies, finally, in the fact that it does not and cannot feel racial hatred for other peoples, including the German people; that it has been trained in the spirit of equality of all peoples and races, in the spirit of respect for the rights of other peoples. The Germans’ racial theory and the practice of racial hatred have caused all freedom-loving peoples to become enemies of fascist Germany. The theory of race equality in the U.S.S.R. and practice of respect for the rights of other peoples have caused all freedom-loving peoples to become the friends of the Soviet Union."

nobody gives a shit about their civilians and misled dumbfuck civilian population or if you called germans that, it'd be fucking true, but funny enough people shit on jason for clapping a bunch of CIA monkey killing off janitors to the same level they do for the financial elite, it's only radical tryhards talking shit who cry for the DPRK to drop the nuke on them and such idiotic things that do not know the DPRKs stance on their relationship with the american people as such and the US imperialist government, or willfully ignore it
it's no coincidence that it's anarchist squatting homes that breed fascist, völkisch antigerman ideology
the SU, the communist movement, the GDR did not promote collective guilt
this was brought by the americans to cover up for all the unpersecuted and getting off lightly industrialists and all those higher ups of the ruling class, their fellow capitalist friends they'd cozy up with to form an alliance against the Soviet Union, while putting the blame on the common worker
fuck your class collaborationism, you are worthless scum, you're not leftists, you are bootlicking fascists and nothing else

oh fuck off you dipshit

yes, because war is a matter of attitude, not profit interests
as ww1 has demonstrated, all the people needed was a good scare not to do that aga-… oh wait, that's not how Marxism looks at shit like that and it surely doesn't work, interesting, is it not?
the fuck happened to this place
maybe you should to back to talking about trannies and how they're problematic in your TERF ideology, at least you'd finally drop all pretense of not being cancerous redditor liberals, jesus christ…
you are absolutely fucking worthless, even fucking one big US military base in Syria cucks are more tolerable than you dumbfucks, even though you're essentially the same kind of radical anarkiddy trash

but it's totally different story with japan, right? cancerous twats, this fucking board… whoever that modfag is he needs to off himself

tl;dr
reddit "tankies" degrading even further into stinking liberal anarchist edgy fags running the board now
good luck with that…

hmm… >>2774317
the point is their deliberate whitewashing of which class was pushing hitler, shoving millions up his ass and wanted his wars
according to the nazi parole "one volk, one reich, one führer"
they take it to heart too
the same shit as nazis really, no difference, proclaiming themselves on the other side just to be with the victors
read stalin:
"It is very likely that the war for the liberation of Soviet soil will lead to the exile or destruction of Hitler’s clique. We would welcome such an outcome. But it would be ludicrous to identify Hitler’s clique with the German people, with the German state. The experience of history indicates that Hitlers come and go, but the German people and the German state remain.
The strength of the Red Army lies, finally, in the fact that it does not and cannot feel racial hatred for other peoples, including the German people; that it has been trained in the spirit of equality of all peoples and races, in the spirit of respect for the rights of other peoples. The Germans’ racial theory and the practice of racial hatred have caused all freedom-loving peoples to become enemies of fascist Germany. The theory of race equality in the U.S.S.R. and practice of respect for the rights of other peoples have caused all freedom-loving peoples to become the friends of the Soviet Union."

nobody cares about their civilians and misled civilian population or if you called germans that, it'd be true, but funny enough people attack Unruhe for clapping to a bunch of CIA monkeys killing off janitors to the same level they do for the financial elite, it's only radical tryhards too who cry for the DPRK to drop the nuke on them and such idiotic things that do not know the DPRKs stance on their relationship with the american people as such and the US imperialist government, or willfully ignore it
it's no coincidence that it's anarchist squatting homes that breed fascist, völkisch antigerman ideology
the SU, the communist movement, the GDR did not promote collective guilt
this was brought by the americans to cover up for all the unpersecuted and getting off lightly industrialists and all those higher ups of the ruling class, their fellow capitalist friends they'd cozy up with to form an alliance against the Soviet Union, while putting the blame on the common worker
fuck your class collaborationism, you are worthless scum, you're not leftists, you are bootlicking fascists and nothing else

yes, because war is a matter of attitude, not profit interests
as ww1 has demonstrated, all the people needed was a good scare not to do that aga-… oh wait, that's not how Marxism looks at shit like that and it surely doesn't work, interesting, is it not?

but it's totally different story with japan, right?

it's also the most liberal dumbass thing to cry about "the people should just know!"
give me one quote of Marx or Lenin pointing at the masses and blaming them for the current state of things at their times rather than developing theory and a movement to liberate them with
this thread is so void of marxist or generally socialist thought and just shit up with hot takes and dumbass opinions, it's a new low of the board

bombing dresden was the humane thing to do, which is why the soviets asked them to do it. otherwise dresden would have gone the way of the other cities, with the nazis resisting to the last man and much more civilian deaths. thanks to the bombin the city surrendered peacefully.

seriously OP just kys

where did the OP say that, retard?

I love how people don't know the real reason that Dresden was bombed was because the Allies didn't want the Soviets to capture a weapons depot that would've cut the war sooner.

citiation needed

The Red Army was just about to enter Germany just at that time & the "Big Three" had just met at Yalta. Dresden was a strategically significant far East German town with a well developed "Albertstadt garrison", that would've been very useful for advancing Soviet Troops to have used. Did the US/British Allies sacrifice the 25,000 inhabitants just to forestall the Soviet's victory? It's a no-brainer.

6 January - More than 80,000 Jews held captive by the Nazis are freed in Budapest, Hungary, by Russian soldiers.
12 January — World War II: The Soviet Union begins the Vistula-Oder Offensive in Eastern Europe against the Nazis.
14 January - Eastern Germany is invaded by Russian troops.
18 January - 66,000 Jewish prisoners are evacuated from Auschwitz by the Nazis.
20 January — World War II: The Soviet Union occupies Warsaw.
20 January — The Holocaust: The evacuation of Auschwitz concentration camp begins.
27 January — The Holocaust: The Red Army liberates the Auschwitz and Birkenau death camps.
30 January — The Wilhelm Gustloff, with over 10,000 mainly civilian Germans from Gotenhafen (Gdynia) in the Gdansk Bay, is sunk by three torpedoes from the Soviet submarine S-13 in the Baltic Sea; up to 9,400 are thought to have died – the greatest loss of life in a single ship sinking in war action in history.
February[edit]
3 February - World War II: Largest-ever USAAF daylight bombing raid on Berlin carried out by one thousand bombers and nearly 600 escort fighters of the Eighth Air Force
8 February - World War II: A combined British and Canadian front, consisting of 50,000 soldiers with 500 tanks and 1,034 guns, enters Reichswald, southeast of Nijmegen.[1]
9 February — World War II: "Black Friday": A force of Allied Bristol Beaufighter aircraft suffers heavy casualties in an unsuccessful attack on German destroyer Z33 and escorting vessels sheltering in Førde Fjord, Norway.
10 February — World War II: The SS General von Steuben is sunk by the Soviet submarine S-13.
12 February - World War II: The British/Canadian front captures Cleve, in western Germany.
13 February — World War II: Soviet forces capture Budapest from the Nazis.
13 February — World War II: Royal Air Force and United States Army Air Forces begin bombing of Dresden, Germany. Over the next three days, more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices are dropped on the city. The resulting firestorm destroys fifteen square miles (39 sq kms) of the city center. Between 22,000 & 25,000 people are killed in a controversial attack. The Soviet was now making dramatic progress right across the remainder of occupied Poland and pushing into Germany. On the 24th January they reached the river Oder, the modern day border between Poland and Germany, they were now only 60 miles from Berlin. There was post war controversy between Soviet Generals as to whether they should have pushed on to Berlin at this point and smashed the Germans while they were in disarray. There were still very substantial German formations on their flanks, however, which led to the order to halt and consolidate.

The occupation zones of Germany had been agreed at Yalta so why would the Allies care about slowing the Soviets down? And the Soviets weren't short on arms anyway.

Can someone explain to me why these posts are ban-worthy?

Because mods are playing comrade stalin Great Purge simulator

Goodbye, tovarish.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST: THERE WAS NO GREAT PURGE LMAO NAXIS BOTFO)

Haven't read the thread but I always find screeching about Dresden incredibly rich considering that the majority of Nazi strategy was basically just to butcher Civilians and it was Germans themselves that popularized specifically mass targetting civilians decades beforehand. I'm just not sure how you can remain even slightly consistent utilizing this event as propaganda when you look at the tens of millions that died at nazi hands.

Being a "both sides are in the wrong" radical centrist retard.

Kantian-Priestly and vegetarian-Quaker Prattle about the sanctity of human life.

Excusing reaction in proles, because they are proles.

I don’t care about Dresden. Nazism is a savage blood cult, and its enablers are spineless coward scum who are no better. Parts of my family were murdered by the Nazis when they came to Byelorussia. My great uncle lost his wife and children. They burned entire towns with the people in them, multigenerational families ceased to exist, women and girls were raped in the most savagely fashion. The German soldiers even bragged about their sociopathy when in captivity. They deserved far worse than what they got. The worst thing is that in 1945, suddenly there was not a single Nazi in all of Germany. Spineless from the beginning to the end.

None of those posts states these things. And even if they do, they are not against the rules, so shut the fuck up moderator cocksucker.

Go to bed jim

this place turns more and more into Zig Forums every day. soon they’ll start banning people for not uncritically supporting based comrades Pol Pot and Saddam.

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The bombing of Dresden had nothing to do with slowing the soviets down, it actually helped the soviet advance

Dresden was one of the largest logistical hubs and massing areas still in a fit enough state to send large amounts of men and material through to the soviet front, the Germans were pushing tens of thousands of soldiers and thousands of tons of materiel through it toward the advancing soviets throughout late 44 and through 45 until it was destroyed and by the time of the Vistula-Oder offensive it was one of if not the most important transport hubs left in what became the soviet sector after the war

The Soviet slowdown toward the very end of the war was prompted by the extreme confusion in much of newly liberated eastern Europe (partisan bands controlling vast chunks of land, axis stragglers turning up everywhere, huge numbers of displaced persons on the move) and Stalin not wanting to frighten the Western allies into attacking him as soon as Germany was dealt with, and to that end delayed his armies so the Commonwealth and Americans would be further into their sectors by the time the war ended

The majority of the bombing destroyed the city, and civilians than any significant military place. And their military might was small and weak.
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