The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program in the USA is only funded through the end of January. 40 million people receive benefits every month that help them to afford food. If the shutdown doesn't end, there could be (much more) starvation in one of the wealthiest countries in the world at a time when there are substantial agricultural surpluses.
I'm sorry if this sounds like something from r/socialism or doesn't deserve its own thread, but I think it is necessary to impress upon everyone the importance of trying to save up a bit this month in case worst comes to worst and someone needs your help.
Nolan Thomas
lmao. burgers are literally going to starve themselves to death avoiding socialism and the the ebil holodomor.
Bentley Martin
EAT THE RICH
Connor Scott
how high is the chance of a large climb in death rates due to malnutrition affecting the immune systems of people who can't/won't get vaccinated
Cooper Morgan
If they run out of burgers, what will be call Americans?
Nolan Walker
In all likelihood there would be a fall in death rates due to weight loss in the beginning. It'll take many months for Americans to burn through their blubber, and by then the government will be reopen.
Elijah Watson
Most deaths from starvation come from micronutrient and protein deficiencies, not sheer lack of calories. You can be obese and starve to death.
Jacob James
Burger food is mostly empty calories. A lot of us already are starving while being obese.
Oliver Myers
And that's how American accelerationism finally reached communism!
Ehh it's mostly CiShits and Breeders on welfare anyway so who cares tbh
Nathan Harris
Nice to have you drop by, Zig Forums. If it makes any difference to you, 40% of food stamp recipients are non-hispanic whites.
Connor Adams
So? Their still men and thus need to be purged from all heiracharal positions they hold in the revolution
Eli Brown
Fuck off, Zig Forums Isn't it time for you to renew your BLACKED subscription? Reminder you are not white and you never will be.
Jace Sullivan
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John Walker
BACK TO >>>Zig Forums YOU GO!
Gavin Parker
Yeah but seriously don't ban me I'm just pretending to be retarded
Aiden Parker
good hopefully this triggers the Nazi masturbation fantasy
time to take the trash out
David Campbell
Good, none of you mongrels will make it out alive
Tyler Turner
So theoretically let's say you could predict incoming famine and economic crisis in America. Just hypothetically. WTF does an individual leftist do once shit hits the fan? And I think we'll recognize that moment when it comes.
Organize, get your family and group up with some comrades. Being an individual leftist will probs get you killed
Cameron Bennett
continue gardening and hunting with gf. hopefully move into her grandparent's old place and start a proper farm in the wilderness. slowly build agricultural commune.
Jayden Barnes
Desding :D
Luke Campbell
Seems like a good venue for praxis, t b h
Joshua Nelson
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Josiah Richardson
good i hope the bums starve
Luke Clark
Maybe they'll shut the fuck up about bread queues now
Owen Bennett
Nope! They'll blame BLUMPF and crypto-Bolshevik Russian interference for ruining capitalism.
except that's objectively false, SNAP has work requirements and most recipients work. there have been scandals recently when it was discovered that Amazon and Walmart have record numbers of employees on food stamps. so cute when Zig Forums tries to use marxist rhetoric but doesn't understand marx and ends up outing themselves as petit-bourg scions completely out of touch with economic reality
Easton Roberts
Marx describes the lumpenproletariat as: lowest stratum of the industrial working class tramps criminals people who are disinclined to participate in revolutionary activities people that act as bribed tools of the reactionary intrigue
welfare recipients are being bribed by the capitalist class to not revolt
welfare recipients are being bribed by the capitalist class to not revolt
Brody Russell
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Carson Miller
get fucked. I and many other lumpens would revolt in a heartbeat if there was an organised rising
Asher James
If your boss gives you a paycheck each week, that's an incentive to not revolt by that logic. Doesnt mean your quality of life improves. The tsar had bread lines, but people still figured out was up
Austin Morgan
that is literally the opposite of what marx described as a lumpen
"having your labor stolen from you is an incentive to not revolt" says no one ever unless its really high like a doctor or something.
revolution would have happened sooner if he didn't
Gavin Rivera
someone screen cap this post as a reminder of what these people really feel when it comes to white people
if you don't work and still receive benefits its not stolen from you, just just a leach at the expense of the working class.
they would have revolted when they ran out of bread. like what actually happened
Hudson Harris
Fascist don't love white people to begin with. It's an idealist borg fantasy version
Luis Hernandez
its not moving the goal post at all you were just wrong.
see marx on the lumpenproletariat
Anthony Foster
Fascists do.
But a lot of people on the left call anything they don't like fascist so I can see your confusion comrad
Andrew Thomas
Marx described the lumpen as the jobless, homeless, thieves, beggars and underclasses. don't bend the definition and cross your fingers that you won't get called on your shit
Josiah Murphy
Marx describes the lumpenproletariat as:
lowest stratum of the industrial working class
tramps
criminals
people who are disinclined to participate in revolutionary activities
people that act as bribed tools of the reactionary intrigue
welfare recipients are being bribed by the capitalist class to not revolt
Also I'm not talking about the amazon workers who receive benefits. They'd actually be able to feed themselves if foodstamps ended
Elijah Moore
no, fascist love an idealized, romanticized version of their people from an era that never existed, combined with an utter hatred of their actual people, especially poor proles
Angel Ward
no fascists love the whole history of their people
Xavier Barnes
No, fascists love the image of white people they have in their heads.
They don't love white gay people, or white people with disabilities, or white drug users, or white race mixers, or white foreigners, or white liberals, or white leftists. They love the idea of white people, not white people as they really are. In reality, they probably can't claim to love even half of all white people.
Parker Miller
*Amazon and Walmart workers have fun losing your 2 day shipping on the next Nintendo console you NEET. and yes retail workers literally do live on welfare in his country. I’m not exaggerating.
Lucas Young
the most important thing about the lumpenproletariat is being divorced from the MoP. owning no property but not regularly selling their labor either. a minority of welfare recipients are moochers, hustlers and drifters but the majority of them work full jobs if being bribed by the government alone made you a lumpenprole then pretty much everyone in developed countries would be one, as almost everyone receives some sort of government benefits or tax cuts and so on. often without asking for them
yeah, they love the history of their people, but have nothing but visceral hatred for their working class countrymen in the now. as has been proven again and again
Jonathan Turner
lol
Lincoln Gonzalez
why would they love traitors?
Logan Peterson
Yeah, we shouldn't misuse words, but it's a lot easier to say "fascist" than it is to say "disgustingly spooked class traitor lumpen".
Julian Thomas
Traitors to what? Your ideal version of the world?
Luke Fisher
no they love the working class too they also hate the lumpen
Aaron Garcia
the majority of their race
Isaac Garcia
except this country is so backwards and unequal that there are working class full time people who literally need stamps to live
Matthew Jenkins
But most white people hate fascists lmao. You're only a majority on gay imageboards where you constantly circlejerk over male physique
Julian Wilson
lol
Joshua Roberts
Gamergaten is literally all lumpen intel NEETs
Aiden Gomez
if food stamps were removed prices would adjust. the only people that need to to live are the people who don't work
Henry Fisher
most white people also hate communists lamo
Jason Cook
But that's the thing. MOST white people are race traitors. So you can't say they love white people when literally the majority of the race they supposedly love is traitorous.
They just love fascists.
Nolan Jones
lol
Luke Jenkins
source?
Brayden Hernandez
STRAIGHT TO THE >>>/gulag/ FOR YOU see ya wouldn't want to be ya
Nathan Johnson
sadly I wouldn't be surprised if this is the legitimate outcome
Camden Parker
Anyone who isn't a fascist is a race traitor by default, and most people aren't fascists.
Robert Gray
The working class is also on foodstamps, though. Are they leeching off of themselves? Big thnk.
The later food shortage depended what part of Russia you were in, first of all Second, there were issues not only with the supply of grain itself due to monopoly, but distribution issues that were symbolic of the break down of the government as a whole. Technically bread lines still existed, they just weren't efficient. Russia had undergone a famine in 1891, but didn't seize power then despite it being handle horribly. More things have to be in place than just hunger to guarantee a revolution.
Luis Brooks
wrong
Luis Moore
They are the lumpen
Hudson Rodriguez
Checkem
Asher Martin
yes, thats possible.
Caleb Jenkins
no u
Sebastian Parker
So why does it matter, exactly? Also, as capitalism comes with guaranteed unemployment to maintain an army of reserve labor, at any point proles can become a member of the precariat. Unemployment doesn't guarantee a lumpen mindset.
Ryder Hall
Initially I said that wanting to remove cancerous elements of society(lumpenproletariat) is a natural response
I completely agree. I was not speaking of everyone on foodstamps nor was I talking about all the unemployed
Aiden Murphy
I suppose I should make a distinction between fascists.
There are stupid American fascists who are nauseatingly optimistic about the white race. In the mind of these fascists, most white people are innocent Folk who just need to be red pilled and saved from Jewish tricks that have enslaved their minds. If they could just shut down the MSM and get them off of fluoride and show them the right CIA crime graphs, surely they'd be freed from Jewish mind control. These people are insane, but you can argue they do love white people in a sort of delusional way.
Then there are European fascists who are highly negative about the average white person. They don't believe that whites can just take the red pill and be freed. They believe that whites have become degenerated, and that the only hope is to purge society of all race traitors who refuse to bend the knee: marxists, race mixers, feminists, gays, liberal arts majors, people who watch anime, ect. They also have a very specific white haplogroup in their minds, often excluding Slavs and Mediterraneans and Catholics and Irish ect. I would say that these fascists hate most white people, and only love an imagined white person that exists in their minds.
Josiah Powell
Sure what you call the European fascists take an Evolian look at the white race where as Americans take a Hitlerite view
Dylan Adams
Are you this person then?
Because I doubt you'll find anyone here who thinks poor people are cancer. As for the lumpen, I'm not completely convinced they are beyond all hope. They might actually be able to be rehabilitated through re-education. I remember reading the black panthers would often try to do outreach to groups that were commonly classified as lumpen, and had some success. Right now, they're just in the way, of course.
Jose Jenkins
and? appeal to masses is a fallacy
Brandon Cruz
It's not an appeal to masses. I'm saying that the two aren't equivalent as far as most people here are concerned.
Isaac Myers
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Dylan Carter
The majority of the unemployed in western nations that receive SNAP and other equivalent benefits are not Lumpen in the traditional sense of the word, the majority of them are workers, underemployed, unemployed, sick, disabled or otherwise unable to find employment (an ex-convict will struggle to find gainful employment but unless they continue to commit crimes they are not Lumpen in the way which some of you would suggest). A reserve army of labour is neccessitated under capitalism and there is direct policy which exists to manage such. The majority of new employment that is created in places like the UK & US are part-time, self-employed, or even things like zero-hours contracts and even many of the full-time jobs created are paid so far below subsistence levels that they also require government assitance which is a direct form of welfare to the Capitalist class, who are the real welfare queens. Ignore this Fascist retard who doesn't understand anything and stop ceding the grounds of debate to them.