You're contradicting yourself here. Also, being against the wall isn't being for open borders. E-verify would do more to end illegal immigration then any kind of wall would do, but would require actually having the government inquire on company labour practices and enforce such a thing, so can't have that I guess :^). Your point on wages is, for the most part, bunk as well. Unemployment has never been lower in the US in the last 50 years, yet wages are not rising in the slightest and are in fact stagnating despite what a classical view on the economy would tell us. The reality is that the rate of profit is low, lower then it ever has been. Even if you cut off immigration tomorrow, wages would not rise outside of some intervention by local or the federal governement. Even if a nuclear holocaust were to happen in the US tomorrow and the labor pool was to fall to historic lows, wages (especially in the manufacturing industry and for general factory work) would not rise. If I have widget that makes me $1 per widget sold and the average worker makes about 10 widgets an hour, what is the absolute maximum I can pay that worker? Take your time here.
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Don't a lot of Palestinians work in Israel legally anyway. I remember seeing video before of IDF purposefully backing up a checkpoint of people trying to get into Israel in the morning.
This is a bit hysterical. The parents of the children are Mexican citizens, or some other Latin American nation, so the children would be able to get citizen ship via the parent's nation of origin.
I didn't know about the Japanese doing that to Koreans, but the Japanese are notorious cunts and are still butt hurt about losing Korea from their empire so I don't think that's very instructive of what would happen in the US.
Trump isn't going to retroactively take away citizen ship of anyone that already has US citizenship from the 14th amendment because then a bunch of black people would lose citizenship, since that's what the amendment was originally written for.
Why it was constructed doesn't matter. Their border security they have is effective.
that would only be true if it was all illegal immigration came through ports, which it does not. The Wall will stop people not coming through ports
not an argument
you can look that up. heres a good start buildingtheborderwall.com
But there are still people entering. Deportations can solve the rest.
the response was to >he thinks capital won't generate a reserve army of labor regardless
to which i never spoke of.
we can have both
no its not its basic economics.
and deportations are up illegal immigration is down and a wall will help keep it that way
yep thats capitalism.
wages would rise for the jobs the illegals are doing, because they would now be done by legal citizens who have to be paid at least minimum wage.
Also there are more things that are cause by illegal immigration than just wages. Violent cime would be reduced, drug trafficking etc
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The Israeli border, as far as I'm aware, is treated as a military issue and patrolled accordingly. With more people leaving the US than coming in and no military threat on the Southern or Northern border, there is no reason for the US to treat their border as a military issue unless they just want to waste a bunch of money.
It will do nothing to stop the people coming through the ports. Which is most of them. The prevention of illegal immigration, a relatively minor crime, will not stack up to the amount of money spent walling off a regional ally as though they were an enemy.
I mean, neither was "it will go underground." I'm genuinely curious at this point if there will be rocket ships attached which can fly out over the Rio Grande. If so, how fast will they fly? Will they have colorful flame designs on the sides to increase their speed?
If the answer's in your link, copy+paste it. I'm not giving it traffic.
I mean, people are still getting raped we don't wall off all the pussy. There are consequences to things like that.
Deportations can solve all of it to what extent it's even a problem. The wall is a ridiculously expensive political indulgence which will cause more problems than it solves.
If they're mostly overstays who come in through the ports, then the wall will have nil effect on this. Also, it's already illegal to hire illegal migrants - there's an extremely simple solution to this which is just to enforce labor law. If you can't do that to begin with, the workers will get fucked regardless because the employers will know nobody will stop them from other dodgy shit like wage theft.
A lot of the deadliest shit is coming in, again, through the ports from Europe and China. And a lot of that was pushed by legal drug companies who only act like cartels but get away with it.