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Jack Howard
Jack Howard

hey leftypol i have a question for you i am both a nationalist and a socialist does that make me a Not Socialist?

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Adam Hall
Adam Hall

Yes.

Joseph Peterson
Joseph Peterson

No

Brayden Russell
Brayden Russell

YUP

Grayson Martin
Grayson Martin

What is your definition of socialism?

Bentley Morris
Bentley Morris

Not really, no.
Besides having some more nuanced characteristics (than being just nationalist + socialist), the Nazis simply weren't socialist.

Kayden White
Kayden White

(me)

As in: You are not a socialist. Socialism is inherently internationalist, even the socialism-in-one-country version Stalin stood for.

inb4 le open borders

If you really are socialist enough then that still wouldn't make you a Nazi - fascism =/= communism, as much as lolberts tell you otherwise

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

What do you mean by nationalist? What do you mean by socialist? Lots of people were both nationalists and socialists without being Nazis (Ho Chi Minh, Bobby Sands, Thomas Sankara, etc).

Caleb Campbell
Caleb Campbell

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Colton Allen
Colton Allen

Yes

Carson Gutierrez
Carson Gutierrez

You should define both, rightists have a very different definition of nationalism than leftists, ie. "nationalism is when you love your country bro"

Chase Moore
Chase Moore

I support class struggle AND arbitrary divisions and conflict between the working class

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

Yes as in you are not socialist. As in not socialist, and not a ''nat.tion.al socialist''''

Ryan Smith
Ryan Smith

Omae wa mo, shindieru…

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Matthew Rodriguez
Matthew Rodriguez

natįonal socialists are both anti-nationalism and anti-socialism

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

Okay, now define nationalism.

Lucas Hernandez
Lucas Hernandez

No, they are definitely nationalist.

Matthew Myers
Matthew Myers

they claim to be, but imperialism is literally the diametric opposition of nationalism.
they are imperialists before they are nationalists, so fundamentally anti-nationalism.

Gavin Stewart
Gavin Stewart

they claim to be, but imperialism is literally the diametric opposition of nationalism
t. Dinesh D’Souza

John Nguyen
John Nguyen

i just love my country

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

Nothing wrong with that.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_patriotism

Ryan Anderson
Ryan Anderson

I’m not a fascist you retard. Nationalist movements can be left wing. Just look at Ireland and 30s Catalonia.

Lincoln Baker
Lincoln Baker

I’m not denying that, what I’m criticizing is the idea that imperialism and nationalism are incompatible.

Noah Price
Noah Price

No.
Socialism is inherently internationalist
Internationalism does not deny the existence of nations - it's what Neoliberalism does.

Josiah White
Josiah White

Socialism and nationalism are not opposed and are not in need of some big-brained "synthesis" like nazbol or "national sоcialism". Read Lenin and Stalin. You are allowed to like your country and take pride in its culture under socialism, and many socialist revolutions in history had a nationalistic basis. So depending on what you mean by nationalism, you might just be a socialist.

Jose Gomez
Jose Gomez

imperialism is literally the diametric opposition of nationalism
"exploiting an Other" is literally the diametric opposition of "Us vs Them mentality"
I'm pretty sure it's actually the former being a tool to carve out the latter. Or will you willingly ignore how Italian, German and Japanese nationalism started?

Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

they are, outside of doublethink.

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Gabriel Morales
Gabriel Morales

nationalism = tribalism
yikes
do you think liberals means “everyone to the left of me” too, like reactionaries say?

Ryan Hughes
Ryan Hughes

nationalism isn't upscaled tribalism
with upscaled crimes to match
rise of nationalism didn't result in cultural destruction, imperialism and ethnic cleansing
it wasn't r-real n-nationalism
Read a book, or get beaten by one.

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Hudson Taylor
Hudson Taylor

you’re not even worth arguing with. you clearly have never attempted to read anything in your life since we can’t agree on the proper definition of a word that predates Nazi Germany
not real nationalism
I’m not defending fascism you fuckwit.

Jaxon Bell
Jaxon Bell

Nazi Germany? You think I am referring to World War 2, you cretin?

I'm talking about German, Italian and Japanese Unifications.

Adrian Hernandez
Adrian Hernandez

I’m talking about German, Italian, and Japanese…
You think I’m talking about World War 2
when else in history are those 3 countries all relevant?
I don’t know how you can call Fascist Nationalism a “unification” but whatever dude keep believing contradictory things.

Nicholas Anderson
Nicholas Anderson

Turkish nationalists committing 3 genocides in a span of 13 years wasn't real nationalism

Jayden Roberts
Jayden Roberts

You're Nazbol

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

just because bad guys like to abort words of all meaning it doesn’t transform the word into implicating those atrocities. I guess because of Pol Pot we should reject communism now…

Robert Bennett
Robert Bennett

it doesn’t transform the word into implicating those atrocities
But it is you who transforming the word to mean something else, you historically illiterate dipshit.

The French Revolution and everything that followed wasn't real nationalism. -You

Brody Ortiz
Brody Ortiz

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Brandon Russell
Brandon Russell

The French Revolution was bad
the tanky drools due to the sheer Americanness of his education.

Joshua Richardson
Joshua Richardson

How the fuck do you even breathe?

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

no. you are what we call a mofo. commonly referred to as an irish stoop.

Kayden Green
Kayden Green

Internationalism does not deny the existence of nations
Could you explain this further?

Carter Williams
Carter Williams

Nice wikipedia search

Ian Rogers
Ian Rogers

That's not nationalism

Dylan White
Dylan White

It's only acceptable if you're not an imperial power.

Jaxson Jackson
Jaxson Jackson

Theory and reality are two different things.

On paper, Nazism is both nationalist and socialist in equal measure, but in practice, it is primarily nationalist with only a vestigial amount of socialism left.

Jaxon King
Jaxon King

That makes you cleaver and a good socialist

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Nathan Hernandez
Nathan Hernandez

This is hot

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