hey leftypol i have a question for you i am both a nationalist and a socialist does that make me a Not Socialist?
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What is your definition of socialism?
Not really, no.
Besides having some more nuanced characteristics (than being just nationalist + socialist), the Nazis simply weren't socialist.
As in: You are not a socialist. Socialism is inherently internationalist, even the socialism-in-one-country version Stalin stood for.
inb4 le open borders
If you really are socialist enough then that still wouldn't make you a Nazi - fascism =/= communism, as much as lolberts tell you otherwise
What do you mean by nationalist? What do you mean by socialist? Lots of people were both nationalists and socialists without being Nazis (Ho Chi Minh, Bobby Sands, Thomas Sankara, etc).
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
You should define both, rightists have a very different definition of nationalism than leftists, ie. "nationalism is when you love your country bro"
I support class struggle AND arbitrary divisions and conflict between the working class
Yes as in you are not socialist. As in not socialist, and not a ''nat.tion.al socialist''''
Omae wa mo, shindieru…
natįonal socialists are both anti-nationalism and anti-socialism
Okay, now define nationalism.
No, they are definitely nationalist.
they claim to be, but imperialism is literally the diametric opposition of nationalism.
they are imperialists before they are nationalists, so fundamentally anti-nationalism.
they claim to be, but imperialism is literally the diametric opposition of nationalism
t. Dinesh D’Souza
i just love my country
Nothing wrong with that.
I’m not a fascist you retard. Nationalist movements can be left wing. Just look at Ireland and 30s Catalonia.
I’m not denying that, what I’m criticizing is the idea that imperialism and nationalism are incompatible.
Socialism is inherently internationalist
Internationalism does not deny the existence of nations - it's what Neoliberalism does.
Socialism and nationalism are not opposed and are not in need of some big-brained "synthesis" like nazbol or "national sоcialism". Read Lenin and Stalin. You are allowed to like your country and take pride in its culture under socialism, and many socialist revolutions in history had a nationalistic basis. So depending on what you mean by nationalism, you might just be a socialist.
imperialism is literally the diametric opposition of nationalism
"exploiting an Other" is literally the diametric opposition of "Us vs Them mentality"
I'm pretty sure it's actually the former being a tool to carve out the latter. Or will you willingly ignore how Italian, German and Japanese nationalism started?
they are, outside of doublethink.
nationalism = tribalism
do you think liberals means “everyone to the left of me” too, like reactionaries say?
nationalism isn't upscaled tribalism
with upscaled crimes to match
rise of nationalism didn't result in cultural destruction, imperialism and ethnic cleansing
it wasn't r-real n-nationalism
Read a book, or get beaten by one.
you’re not even worth arguing with. you clearly have never attempted to read anything in your life since we can’t agree on the proper definition of a word that predates Nazi Germany
not real nationalism
I’m not defending fascism you fuckwit.
Nazi Germany? You think I am referring to World War 2, you cretin?
I'm talking about German, Italian and Japanese Unifications.
I’m talking about German, Italian, and Japanese…
You think I’m talking about World War 2
when else in history are those 3 countries all relevant?
I don’t know how you can call Fascist Nationalism a “unification” but whatever dude keep believing contradictory things.
Turkish nationalists committing 3 genocides in a span of 13 years wasn't real nationalism
just because bad guys like to abort words of all meaning it doesn’t transform the word into implicating those atrocities. I guess because of Pol Pot we should reject communism now…
it doesn’t transform the word into implicating those atrocities
But it is you who transforming the word to mean something else, you historically illiterate dipshit.
The French Revolution and everything that followed wasn't real nationalism. -You
The French Revolution was bad
the tanky drools due to the sheer Americanness of his education.
How the fuck do you even breathe?
no. you are what we call a mofo. commonly referred to as an irish stoop.
Internationalism does not deny the existence of nations
Could you explain this further?
Nice wikipedia search
That's not nationalism
It's only acceptable if you're not an imperial power.
Theory and reality are two different things.
On paper, Nazism is both nationalist and socialist in equal measure, but in practice, it is primarily nationalist with only a vestigial amount of socialism left.
That makes you cleaver and a good socialist
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