Market "socialism" and Cooperatives are like reformist liberal ideas and practices, I don't like them.
Are Worker Cooperatives Actually Socialist?
David Jones
Chase Turner
So they weren't co-ops, but just private businesses pretending they were co-ops. What else would you expect in Francoist Spain?
The local community can decide to pool money to lend to starting co-ops, through a local mutualist bank for instance.
Levi Jenkins
common property? workers owning the means of production?
no it's actually reactionary because of something Bordiga says!
fyi OP coops are socialist but markets aren't, read Marx. market economies are inherently unsustainable.
Colton Ross
Coops are alright only in they're better than capitalist workplaces. They're not something to be desired or aspired to.
Daniel Powell
google marx
Jace Parker
Co-ops may not be revolutionary, but I'd rather work in a coop where I own the means of production along with the other workers than be an employee where I have to sell my labour power for a wage.
Liam Harris
you should really look into what both of these words mean, your Zig Forums tier dictionary isn't gonna cut it on this board
Christopher Moore
I like how your ideology filter only read the top half of my post
Bentley Anderson
Co-ops ARE revolutionary in that they give an additional avenue of power to the workers. They can use the economic force of the cooperative to push for working class interests. This shouldn't be overlooked.
What's important is that cooperatives have a strong popular management structure. Today this should preferably be a kind of online decision-making platform, organized according to liquid democracy. All layers of management need to be transparent to the entire organization.
What's also important is that cooperatives are deeply involved in a wider labor movement, and form part of a network of solidarity with other cooperatives and the local community. Ideally they should also strive towards decommodification and participatory planning.
If these two properties are lacking, as is apparently the case with Mondragon, there isn't much of a point.
Nathan Russell
I'm curious. Is there anything that combines worker, community and consumer coops into a single coop entity?