im fairly certain there's already a thread on this, but is there any actual legitimate evidence that Stalin slaughtered millions of people, or imprisoned innocents, or did any of the things people say he did?
On stalin
Lucas Gray
Cooper Cruz
Yes, he slaughtered and imprisoned innocent people, millions, probably not.
Oliver Lewis
[Zoom in on Robert Conquest screaming as he rolls over in his grave]
Christopher Hernandez
Stalin paid the clouds not to rain and ate all the grain himself.
Logan Bell
im fairly certain there's already a thread on this, but is there any actual legitimate evidence that Hitler slaughtered millions of people, or imprisoned innocents, or did any of the things people say he did?
Adrian Jenkins
...
Benjamin Walker
Except there's mountains of evidence for the holocaust etc and little to none for Stalin killing millions of people.
Aaron Ross
Not a single person died under Stalin
Hunter Richardson
Except nazis who were in soviet territory
Parker Johnson
...
Wyatt Taylor
Name one crime
Noah Mitchell
Not a shred. Everyone sentenced was legitimate.
Brayden Gray
He didn't just say "Yo we should go and shoot people for no reason lmao"
Some people got executed? Yeah. Not millions.
Nobody's perfect. Gotta put criminals somewhere.
Holodomor wasn't Stalin's fault
Oliver Rivera
I mean the purges kinda were like that yeah
Jace Lopez
Fucking revisionists, he brought back fallen soliders in the great patriotic war.
Austin Morgan
even if you are right about death toll revisionism, its a bad look and bad praxis
you all need to think more about optics
Caleb Lopez
Here was me thinking most of the executions n shit were done by the NKVD
Gavin Adams
“We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.”
Landon Jackson
he said people,user
Logan Hughes
This. It's time to revive the skeleton memes. Death to the liberals. Communism killed 100 million? It should have been 200 million.
Aaron Roberts
We should capture Porkies, and then force them to breed, and breed, and breed, until there are 300 billion of them. And then kill them and flood the Earth with their blood.
Christian Bailey
You know how Neo-Nazis have Skulls and Bones? We need to be scary as fuck too.
Tyler Baker
Glory to the Union of Skeletal Socialist Republics!
BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All ∞BCE - ∞CE
I am skeleton man
7,757,864,530 DEAD LIBERATED
Lucas Williams
How to bring about a Communist Revolution:
1.) Get fit
2.) Be spooky with Skulls, Bones, CHAOS, and etc. Be Edgy As Fuck
3.) Make no apologies. Anyone who dies is a Fascist.
Matthew Ortiz
you can go all Dzerzhinsky on people after the revolution, but it makes no sense to decelerate the dialectic by turning off lumenprole normies by larping about how some dictator only killed 500,000 instead of a gorillion
James Martinez
Dude Nazis go all HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG, why can't we?
Luis Bennett
Based
Henry Evans
Luke Morris
sure on his orders.
Chase Carter
Must've been thinking about some other event.
Still though, the purges were done for a reason. Can't have counterrevolutionaries hanging about.
Thomas Jackson
Alright now the first pic is stupid. How would bone grow hair?
Christian Sullivan
Nathaniel Powell
Going after the means of production like:
Anthony Hughes
Sebastian Rogers
During the 1937-1938 great purge, Stalin and other members of the Politburo authorized 383 lists of executions and imprisonment for about 44,000 people, of which not at all were carried out (Furr makes a good case for this in his Khrushchev book). This is is the only actual evidence of Stalin directly having people killed (stalin.memo.ru)
For NKVD arrests, archival evidence indicates that between 642,980 people (Rudenko, Kruglov, Gorshenin memorandum to Khrushchev, 1954) and 799,455 people (Getty, Rittersporn, and Zemskov, 1993) were sentenced to death between 1921 and 1953. Like I said above, not all the executions were carried out, I'll quote Austin Murphy (Triumph of Evil, 2000) to explain: "The figure of 800,000 may greatly overestimate the number of actual executions, as it includes many who were sentenced to death but who were not actually caught or who had their sentences reduced (Getty, Rittersporn, and Zemskov, 1993). In fact, Vinton (1993) has provided evidence indicating that the number of executions was significantly below the number of civilian prisoners sentenced to death in the Soviet Union, with only 7305 executions in a sample of 11,000 prisoners authorized to be executed in 1940 (or scarcely 60%)."
tl;dr No. There isn't.
Caleb Smith
Quoting Ismail from /marx/:
This is a great thread on the topic
>>>/marx/11391
Ismail expertly dispels myths about the Moscow Trials and provides a level-headed analysis of Stalin's paranoia and actions.
Christian Mitchell
You're no better than Holocaust deniers
Jordan Miller
Yep, researching the gulag system is the same as denying the holocaust
Angel Cruz
IT HAPPENED TRUST ME.
IT'S A LIE TRUST ME
Elijah Rodriguez
You might want to switch around the evidence part faggot
Ryder Ross
facts don't care about your feewees
Jaxon Butler
your argument literally means nothing, it's almost on par with the "u live under capitalism yet use iphone???". like wow i don't believe that this one historical event was an orchestrated genocide therefore i must also hold this view point for literally every other event in history of it's nature or else i'm a hypocrite. totally makes sense, lets throw all the different conditions out of the window because things like this are just plain black and white. how could i have been so daft?
Lincoln Jackson
Yeah but there's evidence for both the Holocaust and the Great Purge, defending either one of those makes you a blind ideology cuck, just like nazis.
Chase Gutierrez
The actual evidence of the great purge contradicts the mainstream narrative.
Adam Scott
watchmanreports.com
Brody Ortiz
So was Trotsky never assassinated or did he just not exist?
Isaiah Smith
Nobody who actually has any actuall good points is denying anything, you illiterate, Ghanaian, wife circumcision practicing, cabbage.
Zachary Parker
I said actual evidence you drooling retard.
Carson Martinez
le anarkiddie strawmans marxists, volume 1944343
Leo Richardson
Wtf is this shit?
Justin Davis
Fascists aren’t human
Parker Parker
Not all anarchists
Matthew Miller
They think fucking Antifa, was somehow involved in killing kulaks. I don't think we can combat that.
Isaiah Parker
yeah no, fuck your "le both sides r bad" meme.
i'm not denying purges happened, but don't try and bullshit me.
Mason Phillips
Not really. He did do a lot of good for the Russian people, but his efforts were ultimately a failure and led to the dissolution of the USSR. At the end of the day though, he was a corrupt power hungry bureaucrat who killed his own comrades for political gain.
Sebastian Martinez
lmao
Jaxson Gray
I'd like some of the shit those guys are on.
Luke Gonzalez
And that’s when I found out it’s actually a comedy. The absolute state of western media.
Brandon Green
The idiocy of Trots to accuse MLs of that but employing this bullshit themselves
Isaiah Cruz
Papa Stalin was unironically a good man. don't quote me.
Cameron Kelly
What's up with the claims of anti semitism on Stalin? Did he or the Union even give a single shit about Jews?
Henry Wilson
Stalin likely had personal prejudices against Jews, but didn't particularly believe that Jews should be repressed.
Austin Morgan
In answer to your inquiry :
National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.
Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.
In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
J. Stalin
January 12, 1931
First published in the newspaper Pravda, No. 329, November 30, 1936
Blake Walker
just further attempts to smear him and compare the SU to nazi germany
J. Stalin
January 12, 1931
marxists.org
Tyler Turner
No
During the Great Purge the head of the NKVD was a guy named Nikolai Yezhov. Yezhov was a psychopath who abused his authority in the NKVD and had many innocent people imprisoned and/or killed. He hid this from Stalin and the Politburo for as long as he could but was eventually found out. He admitted to collaborating with the Germans to overthrow Stalin by misusing the NKVD to turn people against the government. Yezhov was tried and executed for his crimes and replaced with Lavrentiy Beria who immediately began reviewing the cases of people imprisoned by Yezhov and started releasing innocents by the tens of thousands. One of these people was actually general Konstantin Rokossovsky, one of the best Red Army officers of the war who planned Operation Bagration and led the Victory Day parade in Moscow in 1945. The Purge was necessary to get rid of legitimate spies, saboteurs and traitors, but unfortunately Yezhov fucked things up and many innocent people were killed. Additionally, many of the aforementioned innocents were falsely prosecuted at the local level and executed by NKVD troikas. Altogether, I believe the total figure of executions during the Purge was about 600,000 or so. Not all of those people were innocent, but unfortunately many were. Stalin was not responsible for that though, as the cases were mishandled at the local level and the organization responsible for orchestrating the purges was corrupted by Yezhov, who was ultimately punished for his wrongdoings. The NKVD was subsequently rebuilt into a properly functioning organization under Beria.
Besides defeating Hitler and turning the USSR into an industrialized socialist superpower that launched the first person into space in the span of one generation, no.
Juan Rodriguez
Read:
Most of the people killed in the Great Purge were innocent, convicted on made-up charges and forced confessions.
Hoxha in his paranoia built 700,000 bunkers. No one is defending him saying that was necessary. Why can't you have a more nuanced view of Stalin? One other than "he *literally* did nothing wrong".
Carter Powell
source?
Justin Nguyen
Trotsky was a Nazi
marxism.halkcephesi.net
Blake Young
takes you to
>>>/marx/11391
takes you to
>>>/marx/11642
and
>>>/marx/11907
Just read the whole thread over at /marx/.
Liam Ortiz
I admit Stalin made mistakes, but the Purges were likely necessary because of the sheer level of corruption and sabotage that was occurring. In my Soviet history course our professor pointed to an example in the book he assigned us where local party officials were using machinery and materials intended to build factories and worker housing to build themselves extravagant homes. Industrial sabotage was rampant as well. John Littlepage, an American engineer who went to the USSR to assist with the industrialization, had many stories of encountering intentional sabotage. The Purges were mostly handled at a local level and the people responsible for fucking up and killing innocents were local officials and NKVD officials working for Yezhov. The idea that Stalin was orchestrating the whole operation from above doesn't fit with the evidence. It was undoubtedly a poorly handled operation, but I disagree with holding Stalin mostly responsible for it when the people most responsible for fucking it up were Yezhov and the local officials that handled the individual cases.
Jonathan Cox
EVERY TIME
Matthew Jenkins
I like Stalin, but there's zero evidence, and you idiots just have to say "it might've happeneded", it order to diss a dead guy
Cameron Sanders
*in i want death
Jace Cox
Grover Furr is such a badass though.
Jaxon Fisher
O N E C R I M E
Isaac Nelson
I HAVE
YET
Hunter Edwards
I say we roll with it - antifa killed the kulaks, the romanov kids, and Louis and Marie Antoinette too!
Dominic Green
The ran over SuccDems in Prague in tanks, too.
Nolan Russell
TO FIND
Robert Nguyen
Hell yeah I am. Hoxha didn't build 700k bunkers, he planned to but the number built was near 200,000. He wasn't paranoid either. Tell me, what nation next to Albania got bombed the crap out of it a few years later?
Dominic Anderson
It's the balkans dude, everythings exploded at least once, down there
Daniel Walker
As far as I read. You haven't even read the linked /marx/ thread, as evidenced by your "Yes, but…" response. If you won't bother to read what's been written before you post a long stream-of-consciousness post, why should anyone read what you have to say?
Besides, those bunkers wouldn't do shit against bombers. Have you seen the bunkers? They wouldn't have provided much resistance if a country decided to invade. Bunkers became obsolete when bombing became a military tactic in WWII. It was bombing that defeated Nazi Germany and Japan, ruined Vietnam, North Korea, etc.
William Powell
Jesus
Noah Kelly
where is the source on these?
Luke Gutierrez
Literally just like "lmao sandniggers bomb each other anyway"
Connor Wood
see
ah, so it's just textwalls claiming "there's no evidence"
Landon Powell
Where is the evidence?