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Also - the Lee Metford is your standard? Really?
The rifling was already near-nonexistent, of course early cordite would wreak havoc on it. You can do your thing, but don't cherrypick to justify you saying everyone should do the same.

Tangentially related to the topic, what about the Peabody / Martini action?
It's basically just the pin and the surface where the breech block rests against the receiver that holds the whole thing together during firing, right? Even so, it was successfully adapted to fire smokeless .303 without much difficulty.

Would modern metallurgy and reinforcement of a few select components be sufficient for a newly manufactured action to handle modern rifle loads?

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Whatever Tony Shaloob is?

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Lebanese? Not likely.

My guess is Italian/English/Polish

Given the design was adapted to modern smokeless shotshells its not beyond the imagination for other adaptions.


I consider the use of jacketed bullets in shallow rifled mild steel BP guns as a redline, even Trapdoors have the problem of having their bores wore out by it there is an industry dedicated to relining the barrels. Metford rifling has been used in smokeless guns with quite some success, Arisakas in particular, its the fact the Lee-Metford's barrel was made for lead and BP and not the cordite and jacketed round the bongs threw into them rather hastily.

Anyway, I took a look and can't really find anything on trapdoors failing aside from H&R made ones being trash from the factory, i.e the lock failing to stay shut on firing.

You're certain that is the cause rather than people firing black powder rounds through it and not cleaning it for decades? Your average gun owner won't put one thousand rounds downrage in his life, let alone enough through a Trapdoor Springfield to wear down the rifling.

Right. It's all speculation, just like with Spanish Mausers supposedly blowing up when the only examples provided are with dangerous reloads.

The Spanish Mauser thing is someone confusing them with those dangerously converted Chilean ones, picture related, not to mention most of them will fail a No-go gauge.yes a spanish mauser grenaded due to a heavy loaded .308.
Very certain its from jacketed rounds for I've seen a Swiss Vetterli with a bore mirror shiny from someone casually using FMJ's instead of a paper patched lead bullet. If I recall the Italians made a FMJ with a driving band on theirs due to how shallow and soft the barrel was.

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That along with, albeit moreso, the small ring-large ring argument. No evidence of that apart from a lone FR-7 that was blown up by Pakistani-loaded 7.62 NATO "surplus" as the rest of them merely have the locking lugs set back/the receiver stretched with overpressure ammunition.

I'm sorry, but what? Where did they source that ammunition, or were they a "skilled reloader" that converted it to centerfire and used modern 10mm diameter FMJ without actually slugging the bore for proper diameter?

Oh he slugged the bore and ran the modern bullet through a sizing die. He honestly didn't think there would be a problem using a FMJ in that gun. And yeah it was a centerfire conversion. I should have bought it because he was selling it as a kit for parts.