Christ disciplined when The Holy Spirit was with him.
What are you talking about?
You are on the verge of heresy
Christ disciplined when The Holy Spirit was with him.
What are you talking about?
You are on the verge of heresy
Begone Satan.
Jesus Christ drove the merchants out of the temple with a whip. As such, we are called to drive out sin with a sword. Bitching about us being meanies is not only a waste of time, but also unmanly; effeminacy being a sin. Stop it.
Masturbation is a sin. Your own private interpretation – ignorant of wisdom as held by great men and women of God – is wrong. Repent.
Yes, I am a slave of Christ. But not because he forced me to, it's because I chose to be a slave of Christ out of my own free will, because that's the right thing to do. That's completely different from being a slave to sin.
Would you rather belong to God who can't do wrong, or would you rather belong to Satan who doesn't love, only hates, lies and murders.
You say that masturbation is so obviously wrong, but there is nothing in the Bible that implies that is is.
And yes, rape it obviously wrong, but masturbation isn't.
I think you misread my post. Read it again.
It's wrong? And what if I say that I think you're wrong? Your word is not the word of God.
I understood you perfectly fine.
You are gravely mistaken about this subject.
Why do you think Chastity is considered a virtue? Because it rebukes sin. Note; Chastity denies masturbatiom BECAUSE it revokes sin.
2D is it?
Ok, so show me in the word of God why masturbation is wrong so I have a reason to chastise myself in that specific area.
Let's not change the subject okay? I'm just trying to figure out why you guys are so insistent on masturbation being wrong, that's all.
What
Animals were affectedb y the fall.
In Paradise there was no need that one animal would ever have to eat another animal.
Furthermore God made us stewards of his creation which means that animals are supposed to be under our command. They aren't supposed to attack us yet they do.
Do you have OTHER examples?
Because if masturbation was always valid, then there would be examples of people accepting it before the protestant reformation(as the teachings of Jesus Christ are immutable)
For example, you say
"My consciousness of right and wrong, that God wrote to my heart when I was born."
And do not consider that other humans would have the same sense of right or wrong.
I'm not saying just Catholicism or Orthodoxy either. Literally nobody, not even other Christians such as Anabaptist that existed before the protestant revolution, thought that masturbation was non-sinful. Your consciousness is stained by sin is the more likely answer I am afraid. At least, its less insane than claiming that nobody recognized something in the faith until year 1900+ when some Christians started believing Masturbation was okay.
No, my word is that of the Church since the very beginning. Every Church Father, all the Doctors of the Church, saints from East and West, great religious from Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant backgrounds, ALL say the same thing about masturbation: It is fornication of the heart; it is a serious sin against God and what He intends for us with regard to ordered sexual function.
Masturbation is to sex what a lie is to spoken truth; a hollow, pale version stripped of all Godliness. THAT is what makes it a sin against God.
Notice that nobody on this board will agree with you – and there is a range of perspectives, from Traditionalist Catholics to Non-denominationals – because you are flat-out wrong about this. We can debate denominations and high theology and metaphysics, but sexual sin is an area so black and white that there is virtually no debate surrounding it throughout Christian history, from St. Augustine to St. Aquinas; from Martin Luther to William Lane Craig; there is unanimity in the same what that there is unanimity about Jesus performing miracles and God being a Trinity.
Repent.
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Well hang on. Are we arguing over whether masturbation is instrinscly sinful, or is it only masturbating to certain things which is? Is it only sinful to masturbate to pornography involving real women? Is it not sinful to masturbate to depictions of fictional women? What if you have a waifu, is that not sinful or is it idolatry as well as sexual immorality? Where is the line drawn?