A Doozy

A Catholic, Charles Carroll, is one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. Who do you think the original colonialists were? Catholics have ALWAYS been in the US. Learn some history.

How so? Give examples if you want to persuade people.

I'm not even American. The people I replied to triggered me and I couldn't help myself. In all seriousness regarding what op asked I would say that Zig Forums is not one person and it depends how anti Catholic this guy is. Going to church out of respect for its tradition is certainly much better than not going at all. My tip for op is that to minimize such disagreements he needs to minimize speculation and give us better info or he is effectively baiting us into a conflict.

The only reason Eastern Orthodoxy is not as corrupted as Western institutions is because the demon of atheistic communism is gone and nothing has replaced it yet. I believe each schism in the church has been cultural: Greek vs Latin vs Germanic. As such each Church worships God and organizes itself as it instinctively knows how to. I will respect and love your church, but I can never be one of you for I was born Lutheran and will stay Lutheran till death.

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O I'm laffin

i was raised protestant myself and there are just too many flaws with its theology. the whole sola scriptura thing is just…. lol

I would give better info, but this is online and I'm a bit paranoid, so I do think I'll just ask the mods to take this down so it doesn't become a thing we have to return to.

Well, people get hung up on what Luther actually meant. He didn't say that everything in the Bible is true as there are issues with Luke and Jude. He believed that certain modern Catholic doctrines didn't follow the teachings of the Bible and of the early father's and their justification of the changes being, "I'm the Pope! I'm infallible!" Was unacceptable. So he called for church doctrine to be supported biblically; and in practice used the argument of tradition of the early fathers (perhaps just the ones he liked, he also liked counsels). This, the indulgences, and changes to church services to make them more engaging is pretty much all he wanted. Hanging the 95 thesis was an invitation for discussion with local monks and priests, but instead he was made into an arch heretic by authorities that brought his concern to the highest level which only established him as the celebrity leader of the Reformation and sparked the controversy. Then they talked about killing him but never did.

For me being a Lutheran allows you to be free to take whatever you like about the history of the Catholic Church and adopt it, then call the rest garbage and be free from dealing with some holier than thow Italians from Rome that tax the shit out of you and lament about how important their dogma is. People don't like being told what to do by foreigners essentially.

I personally love the banter until I feel bad about taking it to far. I understand your reasoning though and for advice: just trust in the Lord and be thankful! Amen.

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