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Should gays be put to death?
Ayden Robinson
Gabriel Reyes
it is unfathomable to me
Kevin Rivera
I am of the same opinion. Sexuality, like any other aspect of the brain, eg personality, intelligence, etc is not bestowed by some magic. These are the result of physical aspects of the brain. If we believe that God created us, either through evolution or whatever, we must accept that people become fags naturally and it is determined in the womb.
Luke Kelly
The fact you saved the first pic is disturbing.
James White
I saved it specifically for this thread as to prove a point. Which was than deleted once I didn't need it. Get your mind out of the gutter.
Carson Robinson
you're approaching that a priori. Are you aware of what the Bible says?
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,
30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;
32 and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. (Rom. 1:26-32 NAS)
God gave them up: paradidomi, to hand over, to give or deliver up
People become fags on God's allowance, but not by God's authorship. They had to be first given up in order to do those things which are not proper, because something was stopping them before. That's the conscience, which is the normal moral impulses of a man who is not reprobate.
When you find the gay gene you can come back and we'll talk about it, but that search isn't going anywhere.
Lucas Perry
Again, sexuality is simply a function of the brain, which develops before birth. Brains of females that basically marinate in androgen during fetal life turn out to be lesbians. Literally through no fault of anyone, people become gay. If birth is the work of God, how can we not say that this function is not his work?
Asher Gonzalez
Even if true that a defect was inextricably linked to homosexuality, it doesn't follow that God made them gay. Does God give babies spina bifida? (Don't look it up if you're not familiar)
An easier example scientifically to ponder is the heritability of alcoholism. Sodomy and drunkenness are both sins, homosexuality and alcoholism are potentially linked to functions outside of the individual's control. One man might be born more prone to alcohol addiction than another, but this propensity doesn't give excuse to sin.
Even more clearly look at Leviticus when it was clear that in that time homosexuals were to be executed. Leviticus 20:13. What is to be said about that in your view?
Anthony Baker
God created the process of birth and set the conditions by which all sorts of defects might take place, so yes, God is certainly responsible for babies to be born with various defects, diseases, etc.
I really don't like the comparison of alcoholism and homosexuality. Alcoholism, yes heritable, could potentially lead to a life of pain and misery. Homosexuality on the other hand, in some conditions, can lead to a life of isolation, your parents may consider you to be demonically possessed and disown you, Christians believe that you should never ever expect to be physically intimate with the sex that you are actually aroused by, you could be rejected from your church because they believe that you have chosen to be a homosexual, etc. The burden of homosexuality is much greater.
I am actually in the process of grappling with Christian faith over the question of people being born as homosexuals and various other things. I'm not ready to answer your question in a meaningful way.
Zachary Jones
I appreciate your intellectual consistency.
I only make the connection between alcoholism and homosexuality because of their equivalent identification as sinful by the Bible. I agree that the homosexual is probably looked down on further than the alcoholic in society.
If it helps in your thought process, you should know that Christians throughout the ages have affirmed the Bible's moral standard as authoritative with no room for our protest. See the Nashville statement as the latest affirmation of the Biblical view of gender.
cbmw.org
It sounds like the question you're investigating is, "Does the God of the Bible create people in ways unable to meet his standard, and so damn them to hell forever?"
The answer is easy and foundational; NO, for the simple reason that keeping the law is an impossibility for everyone and not a requirement for salvation. Salvation is by grace, through faith, not of works (Eph 2).